KZ U.S. made forearm review
I've been looking at some options for 922r compliance and decided to order both the KZ and Surefire m80 forearms so I could check them out first hand. I don't have to twist my own arm very hard to spend $ on gun stuff so I figure I can see what works for me and sell what I don't like.
So some of the options I've been thinking about:
1-Don't worry about 922r, put my Carriercomp tube on if/when it arrives (probably o.k. option but you never know. Like Sukhoi fan said in a recent thread "It only takes one ***hole to ruin your life")
2-Leave my M4 like it is with the Sidearmor rail that I'm very happy with and just keep the stock tube/limiter
3-FL tube with Sidearmor rail and Surefire forearm used as just a grip with all accessories still mounted on the Sidearmor
4-FL tube with KZ rail forearm
Anyway, the Surefire is on backorder from Optics Planet (should be about 2 more weeks) and it's pros and cons have been covered fairly well in some previous threads but I received the KZ so I thought I'd share my thoughts on it since there isn't that much info in old threads. Sorry I'm not posting any pics but my camera is loaned out. I'll get some up later if anyone is interested.
All in all it's better than I thought it was going to be. The fit/machining and finish are good. It's not very heavy but very rigid. The rail nubs seem to be the same size/shape as the Sidearmor. Out of spec? yes, but definitely beefier than the stock Benelli rail. Installation was easy (some minor fooling around to get clearance for the ridge on the barrel where it meets the receiver.
The only real con is hand comfort. Although once I had it on the gun it was better than I had thought it was going to be from initially playing with it when I took it out of the box. I had been thinking it was going to be something like StrangerDanger's description of the M80 feeling like "holding a Pringles can." For some reason it feels better/less fat on the gun. With a rail cover on the 6 o'clock and ladder rail covers on the sides I'd rate the feel in the acceptable/not terrible range. I then tried a Tango Down vert grip on it and found that suprisingly comfortable and not an overly heavy setup.
Keep in mind I haven't put any rounds through this configuration so there could possibly be problems like those reported with the B&T forearm of gas system venting gas onto the support hand etc.
Anyway, I know this post is getting long. I just thought I'd share what I know so far about this option since some of us here are exploring U.S made options.
Take Care All,
Thanks a bunch for the review, Hookster.
I'm seriously considering this option also, however I've been in touch with Fred, the owner of Choate M&T, and I'm trying to persuade him to make knock-offs of the stock forend. He indicated he didn't see enough demand to warrant the investment of roughly 50k into the injection molds to produce the forends, however he agreed that it was 'a money pit' gun in that people who buy an expensive gun like the M4 are subject to spending even more money on them. However everyone on this forum is more frugal than that, right? I'd love to see enough demand for Choate to be inclined to produce 922r compliance parts. He did say they had briefly considered making buttstocks including telescoping butts, but again he was unable to see it being profitable for them due to limited demand.
Please post photos when you can, I'm very interested in seeing some detail of the KZ piece from various perspectives.
Maybe you should have Fred at Choate talk to Kip about demand for M4 parts perhaps Choate would be better equiped to produce a trigger or disconnector which could be some problem solvers too. I'll get some pics and add them to the thread as soon as I can but it may be a week or so till I get my camera back.
Fred said they also briefly considering making the FL tubes, but due to the right size material being readily available economically for them they decided against that as well. Telling him that DMWs is selling FL steel tubes for <70 didn't help to sway him.
Yes, I did mention the phantom Ti FL tubes to him.
Internal fire control parts were also discussed, but that's not moving forward right now. I will persist with him and some other contacts I have including Chip McCormick.
Sounds good, persistence can pay off (squeaky wheel gets the grease and all that stuff) keep us posted.
Choate makes shell followers, but those are not marked 'Made in USA' in anyway. I suggest some of us test those to make sure they're reliable. Fred said he's going to check his shell follower for fit in the M4, once I hear back on that I will post that update.
I got the Brownells one that StrangerDanger recomended:
He said he had several thousand rounds through it with no problems.
I see that the item listing shows that it's made in the USA, but is it actually marked 'Made in the USA'?
Originally Posted by Hookster
No, it's not marked but I printed copies of the webpage with the Made in USA logo for the item. I also e-mailed their help desk asking specifically if the item was US made and I printed the e=mail with their response. I'll keep these pages with the invoice for the item and I did the same with the KZ rail (although it is marked "USA")
Sounds good. According to a letter from the ATF I saw a few weeks ago addressing this issue, it looks like your pages with the invoice would be all that was needed in idenifying the origin of manufacture. I would post it, but don't know how.
Originally Posted by Hookster