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I'll throw in my two cents here, which are worth what you pay for them. I had to make a leap, of faith to trust an autoloading shotgun for a defensive weapon. I just didn't trust them. Then I got an interest in them and started looking with the Mossberg 930. Not reliable enough for me. Looked at the Beretta, Remington and others. Didn't know much about shotgun's when I started, nothing about Benellis. The cost of the guns went up as I continued looking. I noticed everything was being compared to the M-4. That was the benchmark everyone was trying to achieve. Light went on in my head after some time, just buck up and get a Benelli and be done with it. That's what I did. I'm confused why anyone would consider a Benelli knockoff that had videos like these that show function issues. I certainly get why someone would want a Benelli at one third the cost. But that's not what you have here. You have Turkish knockoffs with obvious issues that affect functioning. I don't understand wasting time and money on junk. After watching the videos near the beginning of the AR15 thread, I would consider that gun junk, and I can't even put into words what my thinking on the metallurgy of those guns is. I can't reconcile the idea that if you have $500-$600 to throw away on junk, that you wouldn't have $1800 to put down on something good. Because it is the throwing away of $600 part that I am not getting. I understand that $1800 or so is a lot of money. It's tossing $600 down a rathole I don't understand The whole premise of these clones is that Benelli is WAY overcharging for their weapons. WAY overcharging. That Benelli is selling a $600 gun for $1800. If that were true, someone would have knocked off Benelli a long time ago. I know most Forums don't like you to try to sell stuff in someone else's thread but I have a really nice Porsha GToo Arr Esss that I am putting up for sale. Made in Shenzhen, works just like the real deal. Only asking 80,000 for it. Yen that is... Call me at BR-549 BR-549

there is a snobbish under tone here but only from a handful of arrogant people, like yourself. the vast majority are very respectful and very helpful..you're not one of them

This thread is definitely coming across as snobbish. As the one utube reviewer kept reminding his viewers, "This shotgun IS 1/3 the cost of a Benelli M4." The Chicoms have cloned a number of guns including the Browning ATD-22, the 1911, the Model 1897 shotgun, the 870, and the M-14 to name a handful. Rossi cloned the Winchester 62A. The Indians reverse engineered the FAL and it worked sufficiently for them. All of these were venerated, proven gun designs. Some of the Norinco made guns have the occasional part not interchangeable with the originals yet these clones are well thought of and command prices much higher than they originally sold for, surprisingly in line with the current market for the originals, sometimes higher. All I care about is that a gun goes BOOM immediately followed by small, hot, metallic thingies being forcefully expelled from the muzzle at very high velocity, reliably. Nothing else matters. And from the posted 17+ minute video review along with his followup on compatible mods I've concluded there is NOTHING wrong with the Turknelli M4 that cannot be easily resolved, in particular that being the matter of the shell stop. As far I can tell the only operational malfunctions were a combination of needing more hotter buckshot loads to break it in and avoiding that low end cheapie Winchester ammo. Now with that said, how many of you snobbish Benelli owners own a Mossberg POS? (Yes, Mossys are genuine POS).

You first...

I am enjoying THIS forum, the forum for BENELLI shotguns. I guess you didn't watch the videos? It's not the cost, it's the quality. The video in the OP post number one showed it malfunctioning. And that was a "positive" video. The idea of youtube videos is to help you develop an informed opinion without having to reinvent the wheel or buy everything and analyze it yourself. I can't believe you've watched that video and determined that gun was worth a second look. It shows an obvious piece of crap. Your name here is Mr Military Police. You can't tell me that after watching that video on the ARF forum that you would carry that gun On Duty, assuming your handle here means anything. You can't load the gun, and if you do get it loaded without a ramrod, you can't get it to cycle through the rounds, and when it's finished, in short order, it had ate it's own trigger group. If that's not junk to you... whouzer!

That's just your Benelli Social Status talking!

It's not snobbery to watch a few videos that show it's a piece of junk and make a determination. I don't need to buy one to see that. That's what the youtube world does for us, keeps everyone from making the same mistakes. Like I said, who wouldn't want a Benelli for $600? However, I wouldn't put $100 into that gun in the video on the ar-15 forum. I don't see the point. That gun was one buttload of major malfunctions looking for an excellent opportunity to catastrophically fail.

On 1/17/20, who knew what was going to happen? I got lucky. Benelli M4 Collapsible Stock 70085 SKU: 70085 1 $399.00

My bad, I thought I was enjoying the Benelli Forum, not the cheap knock-off forum. Panzer had the choice to create something unique (like Benelli did with the M4), but decided to take the easy way out and cash in on a proven entity. At least it looks just like a Benelli! Snobs? Benelli Social Status??? Really, what is this, high school? No, mature adults don't feel threatened they are just fans of the platform.

so its a POS?? funny, in your vast 21 post portfolio, i didnt see where you had laid hands on it or reviewed it. some people here are Benelli snobs and look to trash anything they see as a threat to their Benelli social status. How bout just giving this shotgun a chance in the real world and let people that actually have experience with it decide if its a POS or not?

Let's consider creating a sub-forum for cheap POSs, we'll repost this thread and everyone who considers this as a viable alternative can continue the conversation there.

Where did you leave it last?

Well, i m not looking for sympathy. I am new to benelli and never had or shot any of there guns before. I orginially ask the question cause I didn t know if my M4 was messed up. When u order black and get blue I figured anyone new to a gun would be wondering WTH. I do appreciate the help and the info.

Sell it and buy a Tristar??because it's obvious your not going to be happy with the finest combat shotgun ever built.

I cannot confirm on the mag tube fitment on the Panzer, but I did install a Mesa urbino on my Benelli a couple weeks ago and the fit and finish is great. I still want the OEM collapsible, so I pre ordered it last week.?

I'd like a reasonably priced collapsible stock, even if it is an identical clone. For $549.95 I imagine it will sell like hotcakes!