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  1. I suggest you scratch that M4 itch lol welcome to the forum! You have to weigh the options, cost, and your tools/ability to each option. With the 1014 you get the collapsible stock (which is currently worth 800 to 1000 bucks) and you get a fixed choke barrel (barrel is not threaded for chokes) is that is something you prefer - I have not seen the info about the 1014 barrel being thicker per se, just that it is not threaded for chokes. Downside is that you do not have the 3 position recoil tube. So in order to make the collapsible stock functional on the 1014, you will have to buy a new recoil tube - which are spotty to find right now, and then will have to put in some serious work to get the old tube off safely. You are going to need some serious heat/torque/work. Use the search function here, there are some good walk throughs. All that being said, it is still possible to do it all. You will still have the limited magazine tube to deal with and remove but a heat gun and some patience and you can easily take care of that on your own. With the 11707, you will have a 3 positon recoil tube under the stock, so that hard work is done. You will have to find and buy a collapsible stock (800-1000 bucks). With the barrel you will get one that is threaded for chokes if that is something you prefer. You will still have to deal with taking off and replacing the limited magazine tube but again, not too hard to do. Parts wise, the collapsible stock is what it is. Gunbroker and Ebay are the wild west. For the magazine tube there are lots of fantastic options - on this forum SOCOMguy tubes are well regarded, Dave's Metal Works makes great tubes, CarrierComp and Freedom Fighter Tactical make great titanium tubes that will shave some weight off the gun, Briley makes a carbon fiber tube that looks pretty nice on the gun too. Many options available - prices range from less than 100 bucks up to well into the 200/300 range for a full length tube. I am not a lawyer and did not stay at a Holiday Inn last night but a note you may or may not know about is 922(r) which is compliance parts. If you replace the magazine tube and go for the collapsible stock, you will need a total of 4 American made parts on the gun. The magazine tube would be 1, a new follower in the magazine tube would be 2. That means you would need 2 more American parts from a specific parts list replaced - so that means parts inside the trigger or a new trigger guard and parts inside the trigger, etc. GREAT info here: Learn 922(r) – Freedom Fighter Tactical Others will chime in on which option might be best but for me personally, I took option 2 and did the 11707 and am replacing and setting it up the way I want but you might feel that the 1014 option is better for you/your situation/skills and abilities.
    3 points
  2. I built a second trigger pack using the A&S frame, aftermarket safety, a bunch of Benelli OEM parts, and FFT trigger kit. StrangerDanger has a great post on all the parts needed and how to assemble. He was a great help. I probably didn't need to keep my original trigger intact but it was fun hunting down the parts and figuring out how to put everything together. I'm pretty sure I posted a parts list with all the Benelli OEM part numbers you need to complete.
    2 points
  3. Fitting the FFT hammer is pretty easy to do. I wouldn’t let that be a deal breaker for going that route.
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  4. Big dog covered most of it. There is an instant gratification route, but it is initially costly. You’d have to buy two M4’s, a M1014 and an 11707 or similar variant. You’d swap stocks from the M1014 onto the 11707 variant and install a full length magazine tube. You could then sell the M1014 with the fixed pistol grip stock. General consensus for 922 compliance is you need at least four US made parts. A US made full length magazine tube and follower count for two of those parts. You then have options for the other two, A&S engineering trigger frame, Briley/FFT/Benelli parts trigger/disconnector/hammer kits (counts for 3 parts), handguard or rail systems from various makers. Other options is a slower route. Waiting around for a 3 position receiver extension and having it installed to make the collapsible stock is certainly an option. The m1014’s barrel isn’t really heavier, it just wasn’t threaded for a choke. Briley will thread the barrel for you for around 160.00 if you want that option.
    2 points
  5. I love this stock as the standard one is just too long for me. The Urbino stock fits just right. Hope I don't sound too much like Goldilocks, but I digress. The Urbino stock shoots loose about every two range sessions and I have to retighten with a flat head screwdriver. I read on this forum it is a disaster to loctite the threads, so I started looking for another solution. It seems the spring lock washer isn't a very good method of preventing rotation. This video shows why. I am thinking of ordering some of these Nord Lock washers. Can anyone think of any downsides? You can get a pack of 20 of these for about $15 on Amazon. Just need to measure the bolt size when I get a chance.
    1 point
  6. Ya I am upfront on all my dealings, I don't want to get burnt, nor would I want to burn anyone else. Thats sad to hear about the FFT, makes me question using a product that is out of spec in such a high-end firearm, like is the hardening done right? My mind thinks "is it so soft it will mushroom or so hard it will break"
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  7. Yup other users have went that route with pretty decent success - get 2 guns, mix and match - live happy with your gun or guns. IF you would go this route and decide to sell the 1014 gun that has bad stock tube - please make sure you disclose it to the buyer that they would not be able to just put a collapsible stock on it and expect it to work properly (since without the regular stock on, no one can see the bad recoil tube). You are correct on 922 - the FFT trigger pack is what many guys have done (me included) and paired it with an A&S triggerguard. A word of additional advice - recently there have been reports of FFT trigger packs needing filed/sanded/stoned on the hammer a bit to get it to work properly in the A&S triggerguard - and the stock triggerguard for that matter. I and others can verify the need for some fitting to get the FFT to work out of the box. Just a word to the wise if you expect it to just drop in to the A&S and work clean. If you have a file, sandpaper, or stone and patience - it is not a problem. You also could luck out and have it drop in and work well. I am not up on the SBS stuff and 14" barrel - I think I have read in other posts that people have said they are hard to come by and are pricey. The other poster is correct about the blue - if it is a deal breaker that you may receive a blue one, see if you can find one in person or something beyond stock pictures on Gunbroker. I ordered mine on Gunbroker in late March, brand new, stock photo from a gun shop. Mine is a black one with an IT marking after the serial but I am not sure what that means.
    1 point
  8. I think these two guys covered everything to the nth degree for you. However, I would add just one caveat.....I would not buy the gun sight unseen, like from GB or other online dealer that use a generic photo of a Benelli M4, because you very well might get one of Benelli's "COVID BLUE" receivers (as I call them) as has happened to several forum members here. Some have liked the blue colored receivers but, some have also hated it. Benelli gave a disingenuous excuse, (as far as I am concerned) as to why the change occurred from a normal parkerized type finish to a somewhat electric blue finish that has been on their M4 receivers as of late. Take a look around here for what the blue ones look like to see if you will like it or not.
    1 point
  9. Looks great and may pick one up. I've always just run the OEM bolt release and can certainly agree the factory one is a good bit too small.
    1 point
  10. I had the same issue with the Urbino stock on my M4. Then I found a External Star Washer Serrated Zinc in my tool box and mounted it on my Urbino stock retaining screw. It has not loosened since.
    1 point
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