DumbDuck
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9 Oct. 17
If you are buying the gun for targets and intend to put thousands of rounds through it a year, I would suggest the steel receiver. The extra weight isn't an issue for clay pigeon games.
If you are buying the gun for hunting where you carry a lot and shoot a little, go with the Aluminum receiver. It is unlikely you could put enough ammunition through it to hurt it in several life times.
I have a Renaissance 12ga. I've had it for at least 10 years and its been just fine. Its too light to be a comfortable target gun but for the couple shots require for a limit of pheasants, its great. At 70 one begins to appreciate a 6 pound gun when trying to keep up with a young dog.
Bill
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You usually get what you pay for. The quality on the Franchi guns is a little better than the CZ. Both are functional but if you have the money, you probably won't regret going with the Franchi. The CZ I owned was ok. The Franchi guns I still own are excellent.
Bill
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2 Nov. 16
Trap is a game usually shot with relatively stout 1 1/8 target loads. Recoil can become a factor for some people especially if you shoot several rounds.
Don't get me wrong I love my ID Affinities and Benelli ultra light but ID guns kick more than gas operated guns of a similar weight. Fixed breech guns like pumps and O/Us kick as much or more than ID guns of similar weight.
When I shoot trap, I was a Remington 1100. No one ever accused the 1100 of being light but they are reliable and have low recoil. The new Remington V3 can be had for the same price (or slightly less than) the Affinity and they claim the lowest recoil available in guns of that weight.
I know this is a Benelli site but in this case, I would really recommend a gas gun and the price on that V3 is hard to beat
Bill
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8 Dec. 15
I've had mine for several years. Wonderful carry gun at just a shade over 6 lbs. Use it for pheasants and late season grouse. No problems with it at all. Probably a little light for targets but if you're looking for something that you carry a lot and shoot a little (hunting), you can't beat it.
Bill
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18 Nov. 14
Joewd,
I'm assuming that you are getting lightly dented primers and the shell fails to fire.
Check to see that nothing is getting in the way of the firing pins. Some times debris or oil can collect in that area and cause light primer strikes.
You might change ammunition. Some people claim that some manufacturers have "hard primers".
If the primers aren't being struck at all, there is nothing you can do save contact Franchi customer service.
I've had my Renaissance for many years and have had zero problems.
Good luck.
Bill
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21 Dec. 11
Check the velocity of the two loads or the Dram Equiv Wt. of powder charge. Both Winchester and Federal make several different 1 1/8 oz loads and you may find that one or the other is faster. If you tend to shoot behind crossing targets, the faster load might help a little and lead to a higher score.
The truth of the matter is that a difference of 100-200 feet per second makes so little difference in lead requirement that most people aren't helped much by the faster stuff.
It is possible that you gun patterns one load better than the other. Very high or low velocity loads can blow patterns but again, that's a real stretch with factory ammunition.
If Winchester is working better for you, use it. If you ever start reloading, the AA hulls will out last the Federal.
Bill
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Improved Cylinder and Skeet work fine although the Franchi/Benelli chokes tend to run a little tighter than some US chokes. I use cylinder in most of my Franchi guns and get excellent results with #9 shot. If you typically shoot coarser shot (7 1/2 for instance) you might want to use a little more choke than cylinder but I doubt you'd see much real difference.
DumbDuck
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18 Jan. 11
I hate to disagree with anyone but KB Fab is wrong. The shims, unless they are different from those on other Benelli and Franchi guns, adjust the stock for drop and cant. They have little if any affect on LOP.
To make the gun shoot lower, you want to see less barrel and want to increase the drop of the stock. If you look at the shims, you'll see that some are thicker at the top than at the bottom. You want to find the one that is thickest at the top and thinnest at the bottom. In theory, this will increase the drop of your stock and may make the gun shoot lower. As to right and left, cant may help there as well. One side of the shim may be marked L and the other R. Depending upon the way you install them, they will shift the butt L or R. I'd try it both ways and see if it helps.
All this is based on my assumption that the shims are the same as on my Franchi guns. If this is true, the highest numbered shim will produce the biggest drop in the comb.
If all this fails and you intend to use it as a turkey gun, put an optical sight on it and sight it in that way.
DumbDuck
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14 Jan. 11
20 years ago I worked in a consulting lab and tested the water resistance of a urethane rubber. At room temperature and in boiling water it was excellent. No weight gain, no softening, no change in shape. The guy I was doing the testing for asked me to do it in ice water. I'd never heard of testing in ice water and asked why. He said I should just trust him. I re-tested and within hours, the polymer swelled to almost twice its original size. It became quite soft. Obviously my client had seen this before but I hadn't.
I'd assume the design folks at Benelli tested the elastomer in that comfort tech stock over the entire temperature spectrum. It could be a fluke or poor quality control. I'd sure a heck contact Benelli.
DumbDuck
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24 Nov. 10
For years I shot either an 1100 Rem or 1400 Winchester with 28" tubes. Over the last 10 years I've used either a X2 Winchester or I-12 Franchi both with 26" tubes. 24" seem a tad short to keep moving on crossing birds.
If it were me, I'd go with something other than the "steady grip" stock. A pistol grip might help one aim at a turkey's head but when the target is flying rather than standing or walking, that sort of stock seem a little clumsy to me. It is a matter of preference and if you feel comfortable with that stock design for flying birds, I guess it wouldn't matter.
Bill
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Correction, the Youth Gun doesn't seem to have the TSA recoil pad. Its still a good choice.
DumbDuck
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5 Feb. 10
Bill L,
I'd recommend the Franchi 720. They have a youth version with 24" barrel and 12" LOP. It should weight a little under 6 lbs so your daughter should have less trouble holding it. The gas operation will reduce recoil and I believe it also has the TSA pad.
If you hand load, you can put together 3/4 oz loads which will kick even less. If not, the 7/8 oz target loads should be quite manageable.
Your choice of an auto is sound. Too many kids start with single barrel guns which kick more than the autos. In addition, the cross bolt safety on the auto is much more positive than having a child fool around with a hammer which might slip while being cocked or uncocked. An auto loader is a single shot if Dad maintains control of the ammunition.
As she grows, you can purchase a full length stock for the gun.
The 720 is chambered for 3" shells so it can even serve as a waterfowl gun.
Bill S. (DumbDuck)
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Caligvla
I see only one flaw in your plan. Some one burst into your safe location just as you pick up your "dummy" loaded gun. Now you're standing in front of an armed intruder (who believes you to be armed) with an empty gun. You'd need to clear that "dummy" round out of the weapon before you could engage him unless you were using a double barreled gun with double triggers.
I don't want to seem harsh but it sound like the "dummy" round isn't the only "dummy" in this scenario.
If you're serious about defending yourself and your family, the object isn't to scare some one. If you lack the will to carry out such actions or are afraid of the consequences, I suggest you move some place where you'll never be put in that position. When you find such a place, let me know.
DumbDuck
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13 Jan. 10
I can help you with the recoil pad. Buy a roll of electrical tape, the shiny plastic variety, and wrap the sides of the recoil pad. I've done with the the recoil pads on my Franchi guns and it eliminates the hang up.
As to the gun not feeding, the only advice I can give is the same advice that ever one else has been giving on the forum. Clean it to include the piston in the butt that returns the bolt to battery. Clean the inside of the magazine tube and make sure the magazine spring isn't rusted.
If all else fails, call Benelli service.
DumbDuck
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2 Dec. 09
I'd try either http://www.gunbroker.com or http://www.auctionarms.com. Like everything else, you 48 AL is worth what you can get for it. Based on what I've seen, it should go some place between 350 and 550. You might get more if its in mint condition but I won't bet the farm on that.
Good Luck.
Bill
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2 Oct. 09
Tyson,
If you want dead bird pics, go to Community and select albums. I've posted some pictures of birds taken with various Franchi shotguns.
Good Luck This Season.
DumbDuck
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Red Huck etal.
My history is a little fuzzy. What happened on 11 Sept. 01. I don't remember that "Texan" bothering a soul before that.
Of course there are those who claim it never happened, that President Bush master minded it or that "we had it coming". I've seen enough in this discourse to believe that a few people on this form believe at least one and maybe all of these claims to be true.
Oh! For the record, I'm from WI not TX.
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31 July 09
In Wisconsin, Doves open 1 Sept., Grouse 12 Sept. and Woodcock on 19 Sept. Our duck season usually opens the first weekend of Oct. and pheasants around the middle of Oct.
DumbDuck
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16 July 09
The problem you are going to have is finding a gun short enough for your daughter,light enough for her to support and low enough in the recoil department that it doesn't scare her off.
A lot of the youth stocked guns are still too heavy for kids that age to hold properly. I'd look for a Franchi 620 or 720 with a 24" barrel and youth stock. They are light enough for a child to hold and short enough to fit. The gas operated system will help reduce recoil. You can load or buy 3/4 oz 20 ga shells and reduce the recoil even further. The 3/4 oz load will throw enough shot so she'll hit more targets then she would with a 1/2 oz out of a 410 and hitting targets keeps them interested. Besides, 28s and 410 are expensive to feed unless you reload for them.
If she continues, you can always get an adult stock for the gun when she's tall enough and mover her up to a 7/8 oz load when she can manage the extra recoil.
Some people worry about training a child on an auto and opt for a single barrel. An auto is a single shot as long as dad only give the puple 1 shell at a time. In truth, they are safer then a single shot with an exposed hammer
DumbDuck
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9 July 09
mlaroche,
My brother owns both a 720 and a M2. He was wondering the same thing so he conducted a side by side test using 7/8 oz 1200 fps target loads. His comment was that you could put all the funny little rubber inserts in a stock that you want. The recoil operated gun still kicked more then the gas operated gun.
He loves both guns but the 720 kicks less.
As to function, he's never had a problem with his 720 and I've never had a problem with my 620. Unless you intend to put a couple cases of shells through the gun without cleaning it, you shouldn't have a problem.
DumbDuck
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You might try 15 grains of Green Dot behind a AA 20 or Orange Duster wad. It takes a 24-25 MEC bushing to achieve this load and the extra bulk should eliminate the need for the felt wad. (This is a published load.)
I have also used 16 grains of IMR PB. (24-25 MEC Bushing) with the same wads. This isn't published but I still have all my fingers and both eyes.
The PB load functioned a couple different 1100 and my Franchi 620. How it would work in an ID gun is a good guess.
I shoot 7/8 oz in the 20 ga. I loaded the 3/4 for my daughter. I own 3 28ga guns so if I feel the need to shoot 3/4 of an oz, I just go down a gauge.
DumbDuck
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I must be getting old. I cannot for the life of me understand why people want a sticker with the name of the mfg on the barrel or stock of there gun. Its a gun. It is designed to break targets or kill things. It isn't a bill board where companies need to advertise.
If the owner needs a big Benelli sticker on the barrel to remind him its a Benelli, he must be older and more feeble then I am. The same goes for the ID sticker on the butt.
No they probably won't flare ducks but the propeller on the top of your hat might.
Only Kidding.
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Too bad they didn't take the money they saved by not having to machine a receiver and bring the gun out at the same price as an I-12 or better still a M2000. Guess they had to pay for the video.
Still looks interesting and I'd love to shoot one. I just don't see myself laying out darn near 1400 bucks for one.
DumbDuck
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I am indeed old enough to to understand hype. I just wanted to see if anyone else was.
Not As Dumb a Duck as I let on.
Franchi O/U
in Upland Game
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I've never fired one but I've handled a couple in sporting goods stores. They seem well built and I suspect they may actually be an improvement on the Renaissance that I have. If I were looking for a light weight field gun, it would be on my short list. Franchi brought it out in 16ga and that will certainly appeal to a segment of the shooting world. If I hadn't bought two Brownings in that gauge last year, I'd probably be chasing one of the 16s right now. (16ga won't do anything a 12 or 20 will do but they are DIFFERENT)
Bill