DoctorW
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I just reviewed Benelli's advertisement DVD again, and found that Benelli officially said they use gas piston instead of ID in M4 because gas piston is more reliable for a shotgun hanging a lot of accessories. The ID system could be compromised by heavy accessories.
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The reoil energy does not equal to the recoil force. The latter one could be very much modified by different gun design.
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What is the difference between Vinci and M2?
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Well, no quarrel here, please. We are just talking about guns. Not a big deal, and no need to quarrel.
I have 2 questions:
Why M2 is only good for buckshots, even full load buckshots only? Why? Does M2 tactical and M2 field and SBE use the same ID system? M2 field and SBE can operate #7-1/2 and #8 shots and even target load, why M2 tactical or M1 super 90 cannot? What is the difference between them?
Another question is about M4. M4 uses a doulbe piston system. Why double piston? In my understanding, doulbe piston could improve reliability, but could M4 operate well when 1 piston is not working? If yes, then double piston system really enhanced the reliablity of M4; if not, the doulbe piston system even detererate the reliablity because 2 pistons are more likely to get malfunction than single piston system.
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The M1/M2 are designed to cycle heavier loads. Some people report some success with lighter loads, but you can almost be guaranteed cycling problems with added weight AND lighter loads.
With a mag extension and a fairly heavy light, I had regular cycling problems. The Wolff heavy spring seemed to fix the problem. I changed to a much lighter light and haven't had a problem since.
Is it so sensitive to the weight?
Besides, what does heavier loads mean? For home defense, usually, you are using 2-3/4" 0/00 buckshot. You would not use anything like 7-1/2 or #8 target load. Do you mean your gun have regular cycling problems when using the buckshots?
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I just used magnet to test SBEII.
The barrel and upper receiver is surely made of steel.
And the lower receiver is not. So I assume that is made of aluminum.
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Sounds like you have it figured out for you. I couldn't agree with you more. I own both (M1 and M4), and the lightness of the M1 is incredible after handling the M4. The only downsides of the M1/M2 are questionable ability to cycle loads for which they are not designed and you do not have the option of hanging a lot of weight on the gun.
The Wolff heavy recoil spring alleviates these downsides to some degree.
Excuse me, what is the "loads for which they are not designed"? What loads are designed to be used in M2?
And what kind of loads that M2 cannot handle?
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Well think about this: The stocks weigh the same. The barrels are the same length. Yet one is almost 1.5# heavier than the other. Those gas-pistons sure don't weigh 1.5#, and the modified BCG doesn't account for all of it either. so what does that tell you?
OK, that is the point.
Maybe M4 uses heavier receiver or use steel to substitute alluminum? But does it mean that M2 tactical is not strong enough? If it is strong enough, why bother to build a thicker receiver?
If M2 is not strong enough......... that is another issue. But I remember M2's predecessor, M1 super 90, was used by police and been given high credit for its durability and liability. Then why should M2 be worse?
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Recoil proof eh?
I'd like to see you shoot a 577 T-Rex
I have seen the video long ago.
A gun with a recoil that could not be handled by anybody, is a total failure. It is a failure design, if the designer did not to do it on purpose to make jokes.
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What kind of girlyman finds the M4 "heavy"? I mean, really. Your granddaddy humped a rifle that weighed over 10 pounds through W*** (why the **** is World War II "**"ed out!? Damn Obama!) and you are going to whine over going to the range or 3-gun tournaments with a shotgun weighing less than 8?
I think this is the first "mod" you should consider...
You can also ask:
What kind of girlyman finds the M2 "heavy-recoil"?
It is not about the weight that people cannot carry. It is just like your preference. Like me, I like light guns, and do not care much about recoil. I can shoot 100rds 300WinMag through my less than 7 pound Tikka T3 Lite.
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All aluminum used to make anything is an alloy.
Well, that is why I hate people advertising their products as made from alloy. What alloy? What is the main metal element in the alloy? To me, the word "alloy" is just an advertising word which catches eyeballs but loses meanings or definition.
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I am thinking of getting a HD semi-auto shotgun.
M4 seems cool. But what is the difference between M4 and M2 tactical? I mean functional difference, not the structure, because I know that M4 uses gas piston and M2 uses ID system.
More specifically, what is the advantage of M4 over M2 tactical?
M2 is simpler and easier for maintainance. M2 is cleaner. Without a gas piston, M2 is more like a malfunction free gun. Besides, M2 is much lighter.
So, I just do not understand why M4 over M2?
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Aluminium.
Sure?
I am asking this because I am thinking why Benelli Ultra Light is so light. I thought maybe it uses aluminum instead of steel as receiver metal.
If all Benelli shotgun uses aluminum receiver, why Ultra light is so light? Is it because Ultra Light's receiver is made of thinner aluminum?
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It's a blow-back system?
I wonder how they did that?!
Interesting. Somehow, you have to allow exit of the gas of the heavier loads, trap it for the lighter loads. I guess with good engineering, anything is possible.
Well, I like the Xtrema. I'm sure the Vinci is a fine gun.
No, Inertia Driven (ID) is not a blow-back system. A blow-back system does not really lock the bolt solid, but ID does.
About how ID works without gas system, you may go to BenelliUSA to find why.
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I wonder what is new in Vinci? Especially, what is the new inovation implemented on Vinci other than in M2 or SBEII?
Besides, why Vinci does not have a 3.5" version?
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Those questions are best directed at them.
My guess would be that they remove the finish and start back with a good base.
Do you know when Benelli did there camo finish, what kind of base do they use?
I mean, they would probably not dip the naked metal parts into the camo ink. Would they do parkerize or anodize before dipping into camo ink?
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I wonder what the Benelli shotgun receivers are made of.
Are they made from steel or aluminum? Or it denpends on model?
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tucker301, Thank you very much!
Besides, I do not know how those guys who do finishing jobs deal with the existing finish. Would it be very easy for them to remove the now existing camo without damage the gun surface? How do they remove the now existing finish, especially camo surface? Or, they do nothing to the existing finish but just add another one? (The latter one seems stupid and not reliable.)
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Ooooops..............
Seems I regret that I bought the camo version. I should have bought the matte black version. I thought the camo provided an additional layer to protect the metal from rust. But now I begin to think that it is even worse than the gun without camo.
Maybe a matte black gun painted by Durocoat (or similar paint) is a better idea to provide an additional protection, and a better looking as well.
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If I spread a thin coat of transparent DuraCoat to cover the camo, would it work?
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I just bought a SBEII in APG HD camo. But I found there are a couple of tiny scratches, where there are some tiny pieces of camo paint peeled off.
I am wondering if it is normal to this kind of camo paint?
Would the camo be easily scratched or peeled off?
Would the peeled off part on the barrel continue to develope?
How should I maintain the camo paint?
Thanks.
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I recently bought a black matte SBEII & have seen significant surface rust. Many I have spoken with & read about have the same problem. CS said send it in if you'd like. Retailer suggested I get it parkerized or dipped - but to me for a $1400 gun, that's BS. I previously used Rem Oil & am now trying Breakfree CLP - but to me, that's a crock as well & I think their finish / rust protection is flawed. I have no similar problems w/ any of my other guns & have found rust just wiping the gun down inside my house - let alone in the field. I'd get the camo model. Also, the cheek pad has come loose many times - another "great" feature.
That is disappointing.
I took my Nova for duck hunting, and each time got rust on the barrel, but when I went back home, I just used breakfree and easily wiped off the rust. My friend has a Remington, and each time his gun got even more rust and he said it always took him hard work to remove the rust.
I do not know if the camo version will behave better.
To me, the reason why I do not like the camo version is: I just think the camo pattern looks ugly and too complicated and it may not necessarily match the enviroment you will go. If it is just light desert yellow camo or army digital camo, I will like that. But I hate to see the complicated patterns, like trees, leaves,grasses on the gun.
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In our state, 3 rounds regulation only applies to migratory bird hunting. If it is not migratory bird hunting, there is not limit of magazine capacity.
Anyway, if 3 round magazine capacity is just enough, why build Nova and SuperNova with 4 round magazine?
Besides, for other semi-auto shotguns, say, Remington, have 4 round magazine capacity.
So there is nothing to do with the laws.
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Actually I am pretty surprised. Why Benelli make their auto's magazine 1 round shorter than their pumps?
Anybody used Carlson's extended Crio FULL choke for steel shots on SBE2?
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I am considering buying extended choke tubes for my SBE2. (they are easy to install and un-install using just fingers).
Benelli itself recommended Trulock chokes. But Trulock is very expensive. For example, the MSRM of Trulock Super Waterfowl choke is $131.99 !!! That is kind of too much.
Today I found Carlson's is also making extended crio choke tubes for Benelli SBE2 and M2. The look like the same as Trulock, but with much cheaper price (less than $40 for each).
http://www.choketube.com/crio-plus.html
I am interested in buying an extended range 12GA crio super steel choke. The part number is #07577, and the size is .695".
I wonder if anybody had any experience on this brand, and, especially, on the model that I want? Would this extended range choke do any harm to my SBE2 (it is very tight compared to original Benelli Modified choke, and Benelli says the chokes tighter than M, including IM and Full, cannot be used for steel shots). Does anybody use this choke for steel shots?
Thanks.