jantonio54
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wow bad timing, I just tossed 3 useless factory tubes away. Will send you for free if I find another hiding.
That's really good of you. Thanks.
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I'll take the tube!
LOL. Man, you're a funny guy!
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My opinion is that is a great price. I paid considerably more than that for my M4 not long ago. Good luck with sale.
Thanks a lot. That really helps.
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Would somebody please tell me if this is overpriced or about right? I sure would appreciate it.
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I get playing it safe with regard to firearms and federal law, however I really don't think selling the gun in its current configuration would be an issue. Let me cite the somewhat recent situation Benelli had with the first run of M4 H2Os. A few thousand people bought those before the ATF said 'nope, not compliant' and Benelli had to change their production to include Yankee parts. The lucky ones who got the non-compliant guns didn't have to switch out parts or trade in for a slightly different model. This is because 922r is about assembly, not possession. A notarized affidavit starting the exact condition of the gun (all Italian except the full length tube) at the time of the sale would be enough for a buyer to prove he didn't assemble the gun into a non-compliant configuration. I don't think your idea of selling is bad, and like i said earlier, better safe than sorry. You could always ask ATF, they are actually pretty good about answering questions so long as you're willing to wait for the response. Sorry for the loss of your buddy, and good luck with your sales.
What a great and helpful response. Thank you.
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Sold. Thank you
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Thank you.
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Sold. Thank you.
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M4 sold. Thank you.
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You might try one of these budget clamping options......~ $10 !
Last year I purchased the Tactical Barrel Clamp Mount clamp just to see what $10 bucks buys. It's aluminum with 4 hex head screws and a set of shims as well; 5 rail segments. I just secured a LaRue QD mount to it to make sure it would mount securely and it does. Not mil-spec by any means, but it might be just what you need for your situation.
First review on Amazon discusses TRL mounting.
Amazon.com: ATI Shotgun Tube Barrel Mag Extension/ Flashlight Holder [Misc.]: Sports & Outdoors
You can wrap your magazine with a single layer of cammo Gorilla duct tape to preserve your magazine finish. I have used this to protect some segments of my carbon fiber tripod and it works very well.
Gorilla Tape, Camo Matte Finish, 9 yds - Walmart.com
Your welcome.
I know you already said "your welcome", but thanks a lot. Looks exactly like what I want and I ordered one.
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without scratching it up? I just want to hang a light/laser TLR-2s off the tube. Any other ideas are appreciated, but I don't feel the need to spend $230 when all I want is about 4 rail segments. Thanks for any help.
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Perfect fit, perfect color, easy install. Thanks, Kip.
ETA: Somebody suggested cleaning up the threads with CLP, rather than acetone. It worked for me. CLP, an old toothbrush, 30 seconds while still hot.
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dont pay that much for it, if you are patient you can get them for $400. there is a new domestic manufacturer about make collapsible stocks for even less then that. hold out for 6 months brother
That's a darned fair price, and Unobtanium is an honest seller. I have bought from him.
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Yep, he called me, too. I've got two on order and he shipped both today. Great seller and great guy. Thank goodness all my home invaders have come in groups of seven and not nine.
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I just reviewed Benelli's advertisement DVD again, and found that Benelli officially said they use gas piston instead of ID in M4 because gas piston is more reliable for a shotgun hanging a lot of accessories. The ID system could be compromised by heavy accessories.
Isn't that what's been said over and over? The M1/M2 are incredibly reliable UP TO THE POINT you hang too much stuff on them. The M4 is fairly impervious to weight.
You can make the M1/2 run flawlessly with an extended mag and a light with heavy loads. How much stuff would anybody want to weight down a tactical shotgun with?
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Since this came up several times...
I bought an M2 tactical and I've fed it $26 boxes of Federal #8 trap loads, remington trap loads, Federal "Top gun" #8 loads, Win-lite reduced recoil 2 3/4" slugs, 2 3/4 buck, 2 3/4 slugs, 3" buck, 3" slugs and I can't think what else. That weapon has never failed to cycle, fire, load, etc. It has gone boom every single time I've pulled the trigger and it hasn't cared what I loaded in the tube. It's (so far) proven 100% reliable with anything and everything...even the win-lite (reduced recoil) slugs.
Your results may vary, and mine might change if I were to hang more than just a nylon sling on it, but so far, it's been spectacularly reliable and even after a few hundred rounds in a single session, it's still never missed a beat. And, when you're done, it's virtually clean inside. Tear it down, wipe down the internals and relube it and then clean the barrel (just like a pump gun). I really love that shotgun. I also really liked my Nova Tactical.
And, I've been considering picking up an M4...just because I kinda want one of those as well. Not due to any shortcoming of my M2 tactical ("collect the whole set";)). Maybe I'll buy another Nova tactical one of these days as well...
As always, your results may vary. This is just my experience.
That's a great report. The M1/M2 are tremendous tactical shotguns. In addition to an M1 and M4, I also have a Beretta 1201FP (pretty much the same as an M1) which has never failed to cycle anything.
1201's go for 400 to 500 bucks. What a deal for somebody who's cash-strapped and wants top quality.
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Well, no quarrel here, please. We are just talking about guns. Not a big deal, and no need to quarrel.
I have 2 questions:
"Why M2 is only good for buckshots, even full load buckshots only? Why? Does M2 tactical and M2 field and SBE use the same ID system? M2 field and SBE can operate #7-1/2 and #8 shots and even target load, why M2 tactical or M1 super 90 cannot? What is the difference between them?"
Doc, You know, the Browning A5, another inertia-driven shotgun and one of the most famous hunting guns in history, also is not made to cycle light and heavy loads without a change. The A5 has friction rings which you add or remove depending on what loads you are using.
If you go with the light configuration, it will cycle both light and heavy loads, but it beats the heck out of everything if using heavy loads. If you are in heavy configuration, it might not cycle light loads.
The difference is that the Browning design takes only a couple minutes and no tools to make the change, while the Benelli design requires wrenches, heat, and a different recoil spring.
I guess Benelli figures nobody is going to bird hunt or skeet shoot with an 18" barrel, so it is set up for heavy loads, as I'm sure they would never understand why some fool would want to defend himself with light loads (there's another argument).
The longer-barrel guns are set up for light loads for birds and skeet. You can certainly use these guns with heavy, magnum loads.
The short-barrel, tacticals are engineered for police and military use, where they might see thousands of rounds of heavy loads over their lifetimes. With the goal being durability, I'm guessing Benelli engineered them with the heavy spring and intends that they be used exclusively with heavy loads.
That's my line of ******** for the day and I'm sticking by it.
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Think about the physics for a minute here.
In an M16 with a piston system, or in an M14, or in a G3, or in...
These all use single-port and single piston designes.
Why?
Well, rifle rounds generate on the order of 3-5 times the pressure of shotgun rounds. For a shotgun round to generate enough pressure to be reliable across the board, the port would have to be large. The size of TWO M4S90 ports, and having a port that big is just asking for wadding/whatnot to be introduced to it. Ergo, they made that 1 big port, into two smaller ports.
Also, they need the BCG to be impacted in the center...since shotguns have a high bore-axis in relation to reciever, it couldn't go on top. Since the mag-tube is on the bottom, it couldn't go there. Ergo, they went to the side. Being as 1 piston impacting would cause premature wear as the BCG was slewed sideways, they needed 2 pistons to equalize the load somewhat.
And there you have it.
As to why Cody6.0 bought an M2 and wasted his money when he could have been happier with his Nova...who knows. I think that logic is along the same as the reason he chose the M2 over the M4.
Are you stating that the G3 is a gas and piston-operated system? Are you speaking of the H&K designed G3, or civilian model91? They are roller-delayed mechanisms.
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Anyone have an update of the status on how these are coming along?
BigHat, I ordered in mid-April and haven't received yet either. An update would be nice.
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Well, no quarrel here, please. We are just talking about guns. Not a big deal, and no need to quarrel.
I have 2 questions:
Why M2 is only good for buckshots, even full load buckshots only? Why? Does M2 tactical and M2 field and SBE use the same ID system? M2 field and SBE can operate #7-1/2 and #8 shots and even target load, why M2 tactical or M1 super 90 cannot? What is the difference between them?
Another question is about M4. M4 uses a doulbe piston system. Why double piston? In my understanding, doulbe piston could improve reliability, but could M4 operate well when 1 piston is not working? If yes, then double piston system really enhanced the reliablity of M4; if not, the doulbe piston system even detererate the reliablity because 2 pistons are more likely to get malfunction than single piston system.
The M1/M2 in stock form probably will cycle birdshot reliably. It is when you start adding weight, like a mag extension and extra rounds, that problems can develop.
It also might be that the recoil spring in the tactical models is designed for heavier loads. (Pure supposition there, I don't know.) Maybe you can put a lighter recoil spring in the tactical models and shoot birdshot all day long.
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Why would it kick less?
It weighs almost 1.5# more
It is gas operated. There is nothing about inertia with the M4. The whole action is cycled by those pistons. Just like an HK416 or M14 or any other piston operated weapon.
The operation is not similar to the M1/M2 which are completely different except: the recoil spring is in the recoil tube, and the bolt-head rotates. Those are the only 2 operational similarities I can see.
I disagree. It is not gas operated, but is gas assisted. And if you believe there is any difference in recoil, I suggest you take one of each to the range.
And what other operational similarities could there be? I mean, you've got the same carrier and bolt, a recoil tube and spring, and the same style of plunger linking the carrier to the recoil spring.
So the only difference is the twin gas-op pistons, right?
In a true gas operated system, like the M-16, the force of the gas is directly on the carrier, and in my mind exerts a great deal more rearward force on the carrier than an extremely short piston strike.
My guess is that if you completely blocked the ports of the M4, it would still function; not so the M16.
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"The M4 is more reliable than the M1/2 with lighter loads as a rule"
True
"The M4 has a metal trigger guard"
Is there a reason I should care?
"The M4 can be had with a collapsible stock"
Yep, and it is terrific. I dearly love it without optics.
"The M4 can accept accessories without choking"
So can the M1/M2. Not as many as the M4, so if you just have to Rambo your shotgun out, go M4.
"The M4 doesn't kick nearly as hard (follow-ups are easier, even if recoil doesnt upset you)"
This, in my experience of shooting about 300 rounds of the same ammunition through the two guns, is wrong. If the M4 kicks less than the M1, it ain't by much. Why would it, other than due to the fact it is significantly heavier? Surely not due to that little 1/4" punch the pistons give the carrier, which only unlocks the bolt. From that point rearward, the operation of the two guns is identical, it seems to me.
I like both of them. Anyone who denigrates an M1/2, probably hasn't handled one side-by-side with an M4. The M1/2 is one of the finest tacticals ever made. If someone is concerned about weight, doesn't want to hang too much stuff on the gun, and intends to shoot full-load buckshot exclusively, the M1 is probably a better choice than the M4.
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Is it so sensitive to the weight?
Besides, what does heavier loads mean? For home defense, usually, you are using 2-3/4" 0/00 buckshot. You would not use anything like 7-1/2 or #8 target load. Do you mean your gun have regular cycling problems when using the buckshots?
Yes, it is sensitive to weight. If you are using full-charge buckshot, you will have no problems with a mag extension and a full load of nine rounds. "Full charge" means 2 3/4", 3 3/4 dram equivalent (or close to it). It does not mean reduced recoil buckshot loads and it certainly doesn't mean bird shot or target loads or skeet loads.
It's when you add the second accessory that you might have problems. The old saying regarding the M1 is that you can pick one of the following: mag extension, sidesaddle, or light.
As I've stated many times, mine runs flawlessly with the mag extension and a light light. But this is after installing the Wolff heavy recoil spring.
Before the heavy spring, with the mag extension and a heavier light (Surefire M3), I had cycling problems, even with full-load buckshot.
WTS: M4 and Carriercomp tube deal
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Responded via email couple hours ago. thanks.