CMMN
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I have only fired about 20 some rounds through it... typically, they dont need to be broken in, but hoping that after a few more boxes that it may loosen up a bit.
Allowing the bolt to slam shut absolutely helps in getting proper seating of the bolt locking head. I have noticed that when sliding the bolt back (example, occasionally checking to make sure that there is a shell in the chamber) part way and letting it slide back forward is when the problem mostly occurs. Even so, a gun of this expense and renown gun manufacturer, one would not expect this to occur and it should close smoothly, accurately, and full each and every time. I can see if the gun is really dirty or something, but not out of the box...
Below is a (picture) recreation of where my third shell got stuck this past weekend when attempting to fire all three rounds off at a flock of mallards...
I am going back out twice this week duck hunting....hope to get more rounds fired through it....
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I purchased my Vinci and another gun at the same time at Gander Mountain - which has provided awesome customer service through this whole process.
I am currently on my second Vinci since I experienced an approximate 10-15% misfire of my shotgun shells - which were the Winchester Xpert Hi-Velocity 3" shells.
With my first Vinci, I went on three major, 5-day duck hunts. During these hunts, some different, yet similar failures were happening:
1. At first I was having periodic misfires with the first shell. Simply pulling the trigger, all I would hear was the 'click' of the firing pin, and of course, there was an associated firing pin indentation in the primer. The indentation was faint and obviously not strong enough to fire the shell. This happened a handful of times.
2. Occasionally, the 'click' of the firing pin on the first shell in the gun would not even leave a firing pin indentation at all. When these misfires of the first shell occurred, I was eventually more prepared and would quickly pull the slide back, ejecting the shell and loading the second round in the chamber which would then fire.
3. In the beginning, all misfires occurred only on the first round, however, at the end of my second hunt, I also experienced a misfire (hearing the firing pin 'click' and no indentation on the shell) on the third round. This misfire occurred after attempting to fire three rounds in succession.
The gun was disassembled and thoroughly cleaned after every use.
Gander Mountain(GM) was contacted after each hunt as well as the gun being brought into their in-house gunsmith. Neither any of the sales reps or gunsmith heard of this or any problems with the Vinci thus far and only a guess as to what the problem may be. They suggested that the 'machined groove' (on the barrell) that the bolt locking head could have been dirty and did not provide good shell:firing pin contact. This was the only thing that we could collectively come up with and I was sent out in the field to try it again after the first hunt. I did not have much faith as the gun was thoroughly cleaned after each use. As, described, the problem continued.
I contacted Benelli which was quick to offer to send out a new firing pin and spring, however, I knew that there was something else going on and that it would not solve the problem. GM also contacted Benelli to find out what they wanted to do; they did not hear back from them and GM simply replaced the Vinci with a brand new Vinci.
Well, I just got back from another duck hunt. I shot only 23 rounds through the gun and had two misfire (first shell only) as well as one feeding problem where the third shell and carrier would get stuck. Again, this is nearly a 10% failure rate.
During this trip, I realized what I believe is to be the problem. When the bolt is automatically and/or manually put in the forward position (ex, loading a shell), sometimes the bolt locking head is not in the proper position. When the bolt (action) is properly closed, the bolt locking head (BLH) actually turns a bit counterclockwise as it gets seated into the machined groove on the barrel. I noticed that sometimes, the bolt locking head is not turned - thus preventing enough of a gap between the shell primer and the firing pin.
The photo below is the proper position of the bolt locking head (note this by the ejector on the BLH):
Below is what I believe is happening when the gun misfires, whether it is the first or third shell - compare the position of the ejector to the picture above!
Finally, the last picture (not shown since there is a limit of two photos per post) is duplication of how the shell got hung up in the carrier and does not pushed all the way into the chamber. This failure only happened once in the last 20 or so shells.
This is the first Benelli that I have ever owned. Two other hunting partners bought the Winchester Super X3 and the Beretta Xtrema 2 have shot a season of trap and season of hunting without a hitch. It is a bitter-sweet purchase. For my first semi-auto, I would never imagine that I would have these problems for the amount of money it costs. Has anybody else had any problems at all in the field with this gun.
I will be taking the gun back to GM tomorrow to see what they think. I will also be contacting Benelli in the near future to get their opinion on this problem. I hope that since it is a brand new gun this year, that maybe there was a quality control issue or something that has now been straightened out. I will check out some other blogs to see what others are saying....good luck.
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I have never seen them in the stores here in MN...sure would rather use them instead of hauling the Mojos out...
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I love the Foiles StraightMeat Honker
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Very good eats!
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The manual that came with the gun worked as a pretty good guide for cleaning....one suggestion - be sure to clean the two, grooved/machined area on the barrel where the bolt locking heat sits and turns when the bolt is closed....this is best cleaned with a Q-tip....
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I believe that is the problem as well...not letting the bold slam forward with some force to lock the BLH into place.
Thinking back to hunting in a laydown blind during the heat of the action...without looking would sometimes take my right hand index finger and thumb and pull the action open a bit and feel for a shell to be sure I reloaded.....then gently close the action.....that definitely causes my problems!
As far as the other issue of the third shell getting stuck in the action/carrier....I think the shooting four boxes will loosen things up. I look forward til then!