Sharkey
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The teeth on that thing are serious too. Take a chunk out of ya if you aren't careful with it...
And in a "non-shooting" situation, that LAST thing anyone would want is that thing in their chest I can promise you..
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[ATTACH=CONFIG]2542[/ATTACH]Briley Door Breacher Compensator and my one round extension cap below. The Briley is nice because it's got a portion along the bottom with no holes so it helps keep the muzzle down and the cap clean...
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I use the Briley Door Breacher Compensator on mine with the teeth. Attached it using the improved cylinder choke and love it. I put it on ONCE and it's never left the gun since day one. If that's a muzzle brake, how much does it claim to decrease recoil?? I'm certainly no professional on shotgun brakes but I was under the impression that recoil reduction through a muzzle brake device on a shotgun was marginal at best but of course, I could be wrong.
It should at least look nice though..
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Now THERE is a man that thinks ahead....
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Yep. When you first get one, they sound kinda grainy and just don't seem to have it yet. Then suddenly, a couple of hundred rounds in, that's when the music starts. One night you'll be cleaning it or changing your load around or whatever and suddenly you slide the bolt and go, wow... I gotta do that again... And then again. That's when the music begins to play and you realize you have broken in one of the best pieces of shotgunning machinery ever designed and built.
And you realize that the price for such a weapon really wasn't such a tough pill to swallow after all - these things are worth every penny all day long.....
and hat's when you start trying to figure out how you're EVER going to be able to talk your wife into believing you might need a spare...lol
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Yes. Also, maybe 1 out of 3 cleanings, I'll also put it on sort of like they do with Froglube (from what I've been told anyway). I'll clean the **** out of everything and then, since I don't like "boiling" my parts, I'll heat em up with a heat gun. I bring the BCG and even the gas pistons up to where they are JUST at the edge of too hot to handle and then coat the heck out of everything liberally with a nylon brush and some TW25B in a stainless steel cup I use.
Then once they have cooled, I'll wipe away most of it and put it all back together. Like I mentioned, one trip to the range I made this year was down to around 10+ degrees and I had my AR10, my wife's M15 in 7.62x39 and the M4 and they all kicked ass without any issues or slugishness at all.
It takes a LOT to get me to try new stuff since I usually stick with what I know works but since I tried this stuff, I've become more and more impressed with it every time out.
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I've found FIREClean to make that action oh-so slick.
I've been favoring the TW25B in my long guns for a little while now. Everything 'practically' wipes clean after a day at the range and even in the cold (10 to 15 degrees Fahrenheit one day at the range) it kicks ass all day long. A day at the range for me is between 100 and 200 rounds per weapon so it's no small thing to be able to reduce cleaning time in several rifles, pistols and my M4.
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That has a certain poetry to it..... especially the fudge-cicle part...lol
And I might think you were a little crazy IF I didnt have an M4 and know/agree with exactly what you're talking about.
Being "crazy" would certainly NOT be the worst thing I've ever been accused of man...lol Glad you're on board and understand though...
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Good deal M2. The more you heat em up, the more they like it and the smoother it'll get.
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Take away all the fancy parts, mag tubes, a multitude of stocks, God knows how many different optics, titanium charging handles, forends, and we all know the list. Anyway, forget em all.
Now, close your eyes and slowly cycle the action on your broken in Benelli M4 and just sense and feel the action as you slide it back and then let it ease back into battery. Flowing just as smooth and easy as if it was softened water flowing over smooth rocks.
Made of metal, but just gliding through it's cycle as if sliding two melting fudgecicles together on a hot day....
THAT'S the beauty we are all here for. Smooth, efficient, dependable and always ready and willing when you give her a squeeze...
The Benelli M4. Like no other gun...
This is just a good ole "Damn I love this shotgun" thread.
Who's with me....
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Coming along nice M2S.... Got any rounds through her yet? That's when she'll REALLY start ta shine....
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That's funny they call it "Check Point Charlie".... Brings back memories...
They've got some neat stuff in there Badkins. Nice link thanks...
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I've got a couple of those AIM bandoleers. I'm not at all impressed with 'em. The Urban E.R.T. bandoleers are pricey but worth it imo. Always check the elastic and never a good idea to subject that elastic to excessive heat (like in a car in the summertime) - loaded or unloaded (the elastic that is). If you just have to expose the elastic to anything above room temperatures very much expect to replace any such bandoleer periodically as the elastic WILL become stretched out and not recover (from my own experience).
I only prefer them because bandoleers are a "short term" solution only to me. Long term would be your back pack or ruck or caches that you would set up in a survival situation in which case, you would hopefully not be under constant and heavy attack from the walking dead types...
Bandoleers to me are "grab and have" type things in a pinch and when you need to move fast but certainly nothing I'd wanna have to live with. Also, in a survival situation, living off of my shotgun full time is NOT within that plan. It's a short term, blast your way out or through weapon and not something in a good plan to live off of forever.
Shotguns outshine everything (civilian) when you are in tight situations but once things open up, it would fall back as a secondary and other things would then become primaries which means bandoleers would fall back into the stores as a perimeter defense or raiding weapon.
Shotguns are not long range weapons and if you plan on surviving during the Zombie Apocalypse, have a "once you've blasted your way out" plan with other weapons or somebody that DID make a better plan is gonna have a bead on you long before you even know they are there.... Theoretically, people are going to be scrounging and hoarding and I would not prefer to let everyone get close enough to use a shotgun before I either pick em off or have them in my scope and if I am out looking, it's far better to pick off undesirables from a hilltop or heavy cover than risking yourself with close range exposure all the time.
Just my thoughts SF. But I also enjoy a good case of jock itch now and again so take it for what it's worth...lol
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Good point. No, it's not always warm here, been below freezing for hours/days at a time recently. What sort of gloves do you use in cold weather? (I've been wanting some Oakley tactical gloves, just haven't sprung for 'em yet, lately been using some el cheapo polyurethane coated mechanic type gloves) Under such circumstances I would suggest adaptation, which can mean whatever you can come up with. Easy enough to make the distinction between slugs vs. shot loads however if you have a variety of shot loads then it would seem one would need to have some sort of aid to help make the distinction or else make it all one single type of buckshot along with the slugs. I'm thinking something inserted between the elastic and the shotshell, e.g. matchsticks, tabs of fabric (or whatever suits ya) could help one ID the rounds. Also the positioning on the bandoleer comes into play, possibly separating various shot rounds with slugs in between.
I actually HATE gloves and barely ever wear anything more than a set of fingerless "hand covers". In a long term situation though, I would recommend those mittens with the flip top so you can uncover your finger tips quickly. They make em now with velcro to hold the cover in place when over the fingers and then velcro em back when uncovered. I know a lot of guys have "these awesome gloves" but I've been through extreme cold weather training in two different countries and your fingers are gonna take a beating during long term exposure to cold no matter what you wear AND if you plan on being able to operate your weapons.
If it's long term, extreme cold you need to protect against, I would look into those neoprene types although your hands will sweat quite often so I prefer to line then with little white cloth gloves. Again, not conducive with a shooting situation. Short term, pretty much anything is going to hinder your ability to operate that covers your fingers so it would be a matter of preference and what you feel you need to operate.
I've been through ice and into freezing water doing ice rescues and training. Lived on a frozen lake for a couple of weeks in 30 below temps and cross country skiing and snow training in Minnesota and keeping your fingers warm AND effective will be a constant challenge no matter what so there really is no ONE solution.
I've never owned any but I kinda like those flip over mittens. They would probably be the most versatile and handy to use on a bad day...
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I bought a low end bandolier (AIM Sports/holds 55 rounds) and a high end bandolier (Urban E.R.T./holds 50 rounds). They both serve the purpose, however as you can imagine the low end one has less material. The downside to the AIM Sports bandolier is the girth which is 53". The two significant positives to the Urban E.R.T. is that there's extra material which isn't covered by the elastic shell holder so that when over your shoulder the bandolier does not interfere with shouldering your shotgun (whereas a bandolier which has the shell holders all the way to the end definitely will); the other advantage over the AIM Sports bandolier is the girth, the Urban E.R.T. has a girth of 62" which I'm certain would be very helpful when suited up with body armor, or if one is on the large side. The Urban E.R.T. is pricey, that's for sure, but I'm convinced it's worth it.
http://www.urbanertslings.com/tacoshbafor1.html
I've got five different types of rounds on my bandoliers: (by round count) #4 buck, Ranger Low Recoil 00, Federal 000 (I really like 000), Dupleks 028, and BRI sabots. Each has its own feel on the ends and each type is placed in the same locations on each bandolier so I can feel the difference even in the dark while under stressfire. I've positioned them all brass down for ease of use.
I'm still working it out, but since I've been in a situation where I only had a single round left at the end of the incident I have this thing about not running out of ammo. For my purposes I want something I can grab and go with in an instant. I've tried it and I could carry four bandoliers on my shoulders ok, but that is a bit much of a load for the purposes of speed and movement so I've settled on two bandoliers - given enough time to grab two. Each of my shotguns has it own ready to go kit, although I'm still working out the details, hence this thread to fish for some more ideas.
The part I bolded is good SF but is it always warm where you are? It's 26 degrees where I am and if I were to need to "feel" for anything, I would be darn hard-pressed after a short time if it were something even as simple as shell length unless they were side by side and different enough to really be tangible with numb fingers.
Not picking at all but just read your entire post and saw that and was adding in the variable of temps during short and long term exposure to cold vs common tactile senses.
Just a thought for your planning is all.
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Bandoleers for sure. They aren't meant to last forever, just for when you need to go with more than a pocket full or what's on yer gun. http://www.amazon.com/Sports-Shotgun-Shell-Bandolier-Rounds/dp/B00551HARU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391903443&sr=8-1&keywords=shotshell+bandolier
I've got a few of em loaded. I don't mix em up on the bandoleer though. I've got one filled with Dupo28s with another 8 on my rail that I bought on the cheap when they first came out. (Love those things but won't buy more at current prices) Another filled with TruBalls, and a few filled with Buck. All on different hooks on the back of a door or two so I can grab whatever I want or need quick and easy like... I keep a mix in my gun but if it's dark, I wanna know what I'm loading.
Some good ideas in this thread but I always like to keep things as simple as possible.
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We're the same age but I've been pretty lucky and still hangin on to enough conditioning to be able to handle and enjoy the big stuff. Of course, I don't spend much time trapsin the countryside either though so ya know, humping the heavy stuff from my truck into the range house ain't so bad...lol
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Poor Bugsy never had a chance... I miss fried Rabbit. Used to have it all the time at the post I was at in Germany about 100 years ago...lol Early 80s actually.
Gunna have to git me some...
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Thanks guys. All good stuff here. I appreciate the posts.
Sharkey
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I've got one on mine and not a single issue. I also have one of his bolt release pads which is an excellent design with no worried about wearing it out. Simple and works great. Mag tube went on perfectly and not a single complaint. I think he puts out great stuff.
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I'm definitely "in" and thank you for the opportunity Sir..
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Gas guns are usually the softest shooting shotguns and are generally reliable with low-recoil target loads such as Winchester AA low noise/low recoil loads. Depending on the kind of money he has to spend (did he sell a Harley or did he sell a Vespa?), I'd look at Remington 1100 first, then up the line to one of the Berettas. Go check out a club. There's usually any number of folks willing to let him try out a basic gun. The softest shooting shotgun I ever fired was an old Browning B80, which, if I recall correctly, was a Browning-imported Beretta. I held on to it for a while for my brother while he went through a divorce. He had to pry it out of my hands to get it back.
That's funny truckcop and exactly what I suggested as well. I told him I can find some solid recommendations but the proof is always in the pudding so he needs to get to a range and make some friends and see what they are using and maybe try a few out. He's a good guy and will get along well. I'm just doing some looking for him and God knows I'm partial to Benellis.
He sold a Gold Wing. Dunno what year or model but he and his wife have done some serious touring on it. Thanks for all the info guys. I knew I could count on you for the good stuff.
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I've got a friend who's 73 and had a bit of shoulder work. He can't ride anymore and sold his scooter and is now looking at taking up trap shooting but is concerned about recoil.
I could use some solid recommendations for him please guys.
He's an Old Retired Soldier who's just looking to do some shooting and be able to enjoy himself doing it.
Thanks in advance.
Sharkey
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Dear Boy, I've been on this site quite a few years longer than you, go look up my Profile. How about you mind your own Business.
That's funny. I'm a member of this forum and entitled to my own opinion just as you are.
You can be a member of anything you like but doing something like this is wrong and should not be perpetuated.
Good luck in your search though. Gee, I wonder if the federal government monitors any of these weapons sites....derrrr....
And for your information, for a good many years, the law WAS my business.... Dear Boy...
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Thinking of adding one of these,,,,
in Benelli
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So what was the point of even posting?