Birdog19
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2 minutes ago, Sigma05 said:
Exactly. I do a lot of shoothouse training and shoot ambidextrous, except under night vision. That’s why I also don’t run the stock fully extended.
Interesting. Where do you train? I'm in the Democratic People's Republic of California (DPRC).
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5 minutes ago, Sigma05 said:
That’s why I started my last post with it’s never done.
The tape switch is there intentionally because I can also reach it if I have to shoot it lefty. I have no problems engaging it there.
Fully loaded (10 round ghost load) plus the 8 side saddle, it’s at 12 pounds.
Yup, we just keep tinkering until we die. It's all very good!!
Good to hear you have no problems reaching the tape switch. So, if you had to shoot lefty, you'd just wrap your right hand over the top and engage with your thumb? An over-the-top grip like many use with an AR in CQB. I like your thinking. You never know when your clearing the house and slicing the pie around a corner when it might be better to do it left handed. Depends on your house layout. Come to think of it...that's how I would need to come down the hallway and into the living room. Thanks for making me think....again!
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35 minutes ago, StrangerDanger said:
Sigma -
Thanks for the pictures. They help out a bunch with my planning. As Birddog mentioned, the placement of the Surefire tape switch seems a bit high for my thumb to comfortably hit. Maybe you have basketball fingers?
Did you try that spot at the 9 o’clock position?
Gorilla thumbs!
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On 4/7/2020 at 3:52 PM, Scout_21 said:
Oh yeah. I just got some velcro brand industrial 2" loop https://www.amazon.com/VELCRO-Brand-Industrial-Fasteners-Professional/dp/B00006RSP1
Cut it to size (and left a little notch for the trigger group retaining pin) and applied it. I cleaned the side of my receiver with alcohol or acetone before hand and have had no problems.
I'm with Scout. Went with the Vang Comp idea and just bought the shell holder from Brownells. Don't buy the aluminum plate that attaches to the receiver with screws.
Because A) they don't make one for the M4 and. B) You don't need it. Just do the glue-on velcro that Scout suggested. Their idea that you can carry several extra shell carriers (like extra mags in a pouch) loaded with different rounds sounds good, but in practice and under threat, I can't see ripping off the empty carrier and slapping a full carrier on the velcro as you've done a lot of stuff but still haven't loaded anything in your mag tube. Once you get the fresh shell holder mounted, you still need to fumble with pulling single rounds and getting them fed into the tube. Maybe in a tactical reload scenario, dunno. I might rather have a "bag-o-bullets" on my belt or over my chest and just pull out fresh rounds by the 2's and do a weak hand reload. Then again, I could me wrong!
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Sigma -
Saw this posted under your "My Final Build" thread and had to chuckle. What's the definition of "final"? I'd say, It Depends! Kind'a like, "never say never!"
The set-up looks sweet. Am curious to hear what you think about the location of your remote tape switch once you get a chance to run it through its paces. It looks pretty high to me (above the barrel) but without getting a chance to "fondle" it, I merit no opinion!
How much does that rig weigh fully loaded? Around 10lbs.?
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On 4/8/2020 at 9:39 AM, DFWSFO said:
So, this is really interesting. I was curious about the Briley mount, but it just looks so incredibly heavy. This shotgun is already a beast, so I was wary of adding more weight.
8" Handguard = 9.5 oz
13" Handguard = 12.9 oz
As someone else mentioned, Briley has removed the M4 from their "Parts and Services" page so I'm guessing they are working their slight fitment issues before the start selling again.
I like the feel of the OEM split handguards as my left support thumb fits where Benelli wants it to fit at the front end of the handguard. It gives me a little more purchase and grip. The Briley really wraps almost completely over the top of barrel which I personally don't need (added weight as well). And where my left thumb would rest appears to be vertical and not indented as with the OEM. While I like the shopping list Stranger came up with, there doesn't seem to be any MLOK holes to mount the Unity Tactical Hot Button for a natural fit and feel as well. Looks like it would be to high or too low for natural thumb placement.
Stranger, as the sage of this site, I'm gonna let you spend your Trump Bucks on your set-up and wait for your range report! See what a nice guy I am?! ?
DFWSFO -
Checkout more great discussion and some pretty sweet rigs on this thread:
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In his honor I dug a little deep into this forum and retrieved a little Friday Funnies. I guess this is the one that he puts away because it's too..., pretty?
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On 1/29/2020 at 9:44 AM, GlenM said:
Perfect, exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!
Hey Glen -- Did you pursue the QD option above? Work well for you?
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7 hours ago, jimbo45 said:
I was referencing the 5 shot titanium tube for the short barreled m4. I have a full length titanium tube on my standard m4 and its definitely the way to go. Thanks
Ahhh, "Entry Model". I get it now.... .
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I've got a spreadsheet I call M4 Gunsmithing that has a lot of the upgrades I'm running and some actual gunsmithing ideas that I'm going to get to one day. After slapping a bunch of stuff on my weapon like a Mesa Tactical 6-round side saddle I started looking at losing weight. So, my geeky spreadsheet contains the weight of OEM parts and aftermarket add-ons. The Carrier Comp 7-round Tit mag tube is 5.3 oz, the Nordic Comp 7-round steel tube is 10.5 oz.; about half? Or, almost 1/3 lb. at the end of the gun. OBTW, the Mesa Tactical side saddle is 7.0 oz. and replaced it with a Van Comp velcro system which was highly recommended and saved 5.5 oz.
Hope this helps.
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Weird -
Check out the thread below yours, "Benelli M4 - Building a H2O". On page 2 (about half way down) there is a discussion about Wright Armory now being the go-to folks for NP3/NP3+. I'm sure Stranger can provide some insight on their service and prices.
Check out their website https://wrightarmory.com/
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On 3/29/2020 at 2:46 PM, Birdog19 said:
For those that care, MESA tactical got back to me with the weights for the Truckee forearms. I added the info below:
Length Price Weight
OEM forearm 7.5" 4.8 oz
Hayl Rail MLOK 7.5" $115 6.6 oz
Truckee FFT 8.5" $100 9.0 oz
Truckee FFT 11" $120 11.0 oz
Briley 3Gun 8" $275 9.5 oz
Briley 3Gun 13" $325 12.9 oz
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JoeGie -
Thanks for the info.
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3 hours ago, Steve Rose said:
You are on the right track with your methods. You can also hold the drop lever up, cycle the bolt continuously (while continuing to hold the drop lever up) , no need to press the lever for each shell in the magazine.
Ok, just tried this. While holding the drop lever up, every manual cycle of the bolt ejects a round and chambers the next round. Repeating the process (lever up and manual bolt cycling) eventually cycles all the rounds out until empty. Thanks!
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Gents –
I’ve been following the market for replacement forearms like many of you have. SD’s shopping list above along with many of your posts has reinvigorated my search. I am currently running a shitty old light on an IWC mount with a tape switch that sits right where my support thumb wants it to be. Also an RMR on a Scalarworks mount. My wish list for an overall upgrade is: Light or light/laser combo (Streamlight?) probably mounted on the right side with a tape switch/Arisaka Hot Button on the left side for my support hand thumb. Also a QD swivel for a sling (BF or MPUL) on the forearm.
Here is what I “think” is my priority for aftermarket forearms. You can reach-out and disagree if you want; my mind is malleable (or maybe just mush'able).
1) Ergonomics – properly placed controls for a natural grip that allow for intuitive/natural and reliable function. I like the OEM grips but obviously have not had a chance to fondle the others!
2) Form Fit and Function – Ease of assembly/disassembly with attach points that are strong to withstand torque, bend, stress of a sling mounted on the pointy-end. Manufacturers and YouTuber's are not giving good tutorials on how these things are attached, accept for Hayl Rail.
3) A close #2 is weight. Todd from FFT had no idea what the Truckees weigh so I’m reaching out to MESA. Brileys are hefty.
4) Price – Though the Brileys ain’t cheap!Here is what I have so far:
Length Price Weight
OEM forearm 7.5" 4.8 oz
Hayl Rail MLOK 7.5" $115 6.6 oz
Truckee FFT 8.5" $100
Truckee FFT 11" $120
Briley 3Gun 8" $275 9.5 oz
Briley 3Gun 13" $325 12.9 oz
A lot of good comments from you posters on this thread. Your thoughts have influenced my thoughts above.
Rgarc and joegie – Please let us know what Briley does to satisfy the fitment issue. What are the attachment points on the forward end of the forearm? I would think there is got’a be something around the barrel lug to support the forearm. Seems like a weak area to the uninformed me.
CalPatriot – Did you ever get your Truckee? Like it? Same question, how does it attach toward the forward end of the forearm?
The Hayl Rail may not be a bad option with the RTV applied to get rid of the setscrews? The upper MLOK slots look to be in a natural position for tail cap, Hot Button or tape switches. It also looks like the thing is covered in MLOK positions but am guessing not; probably ventilation ports and weight reduction cutouts.I know this is a Briley MLOK Thread, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on the Briley and others.
Thanks, Ave Perrito
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One-Up on ya' Tycoon. For 10 clams plus 3.95 for shipping, I had to give it a go.
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Sonyman -
You did indeed purchase the wrong extension nut. It took a while for me to find this page on the NC site, but if you go to: https://nordiccomp.com/mxt-fit-guide/ it will give the option to choose the correct length of mag tube and what nut you will need for an M4. The nut you'll need is the: 12 Gauge Benelli Nova/Supernova, Beretta and CZ Extension Nut. Ain't it nice how there is no mention of M4 in the description?!!
NC's website has always been difficult to navigate and their current SKUs no longer match what I bought 5 years ago...so it definitely takes some inner Inspector Clousea to find things for the M4. They no longer sell direct which is also a bummer.
Good luck, Birdog
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3 hours ago, NoTycoon said:
If, like many of us, you have converted over to the 7 round replacement tube (Carrier Comp is the best), then you can get 1, 2, 3... round extensions by Nordic Components. NOTE: these will not say they are for the M4 but rather the M2. Don't worry, they will fit once you have the 7 round replacement tube.
That is how I am set-up. Carrier Comp 7-round tube with a Nordic Components extension to get me to 10+1. The color match of the NC 3-round extension isn't great, but I'm not running he gun in a beauty contest! NC website can be a little confusing but if you call them, they are very helpful.
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18 hours ago, StrangerDanger said:
Mines left loaded all the time for about a decade now with no negative effects.
What about the effects on the trigger and firing pin springs if left cocked and loaded as a HD weapon? I've read some older posts on the subject of spring compression and fatigue through compression cycles and wondered if anyone that provided their experience a few years back has any new or different thoughts on the subject.
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Jet -
Looked at Euro Optics and they no longer carry them. Check these out:
https://www.midwestgunworks.com/benelli-m4/standard-stocks.html SOLD OUT $130
https://www.benelliparts.net/store/p33/Factory_Benelli_Standard_M4_Shotgun_Stock.html $250
$250 for this stock is steep but I don't see any sellers popping up, only hearing crickets. Keep fishing, I've purchased the same stock on this forum for much less.
ATB, Birdog
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On 1/13/2020 at 6:11 PM, Jolly Roger said:
Cool, glad you were able to figure it out. What a headache! I bet it feels great to have her all up and running again! ?
Headache? Yeah, true that, but always fun to be tinkering and measuring and seeing what you guys say and suggest and buying calipers for $25 and attempting to give feedback to a vendor that is trying to fill a niche market with a quality product. All good and thanks for the assists.
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Alright, let's kill this thread!!!! Thanks Jolly for the offer, I bought some calipers from the Big River Store in South America and did a little examination.
OEM trigger guard hammer bushing (pin) hole diameter: 0.2365"
A&S trigger guard hammer bushing (pin) hole diameter AFTER sanding the lugs and removing the anodizing: 0.230"
A&S was pretty responsive considering I was emailing them over the holidays. Fred Snyder from A&S called me after seeing my measurements and commented that the holes should be 0.236. He sent me a new TG and asked that I return the original purchase for his inspection. I just swapped-out the parts and all is well. Quite well. The Safety Spring Retainer Pin was pretty tight, but no worries when I snugged the TG in a vice for more precise work. The Hammer Bushing (I like that better than Trigger Bushing) slid into place easily and as expected. Function checking the trigger, disconnector and hammer all went as expected -- in and out of the gun (though I have not fired it yet).
Bottom Line: A&S gave great support and is looking into what may have caused the problems in their tooling or anodizing....if any.
Thanks All, and to All a Good Night!
P.S. I broke one of my Golden Rules...Do a search for your M4 issues on this forum before posting a new topic and asking questions!
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I'll go $275!!!! Sorry, not to make fun, I just had to out-do the Jolly One!
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13 hours ago, shootingsight said:
I have not shot bird shot with the M4, but I presume if I go out and shoot clays, it will cycle OK?
I'm gonna lose my Man Card by admitting this, but I shoot mostly bird shot while busting clays or during 3-Gun with my M4. Cheap WallyMart Winchester or Federal 1 1/8 oz. No. 8 shot, 3 dram at 1200 FPS. Out of several thousand rounds, I can only remember one failure to cycle during a run. I'm not sure (or remember) the extent of the failure -- failure to eject or feed or both, because I just did a quick manual cycle of the bolt and got back to business. Also don't remember if I ejected a live or spent round when I cycled.
So, bottom line I'd say you won't have any appreciable problems with cheap target loads.
Surefire M300 vs M600DF Light for M4
in Benelli
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Was thinking the same thing. Buy a handguard for over $300 then put it on a bandsaw and a grinder and tear the crap out of it! Seems as though Sigma finds it groovy as is! Maybe I'm overthinking it.