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  1. So, by NO means am I an “expert” sporting clays shooter (I dust 20 or more of 25 clays in trap, 25/25 in wobble, maybe 18/25 in 5 stand), but I do enjoy the heck out of it. GREAT way to learn your gun. I regularly use my M4 (tactical/straight stock and the standard/modified Benelli black choke tube) for sporting clays (which raises some eyebrows at the range). I shoot Winchester “AA” Super Sport 2 3/4” 3 1/4 Dram, 7 1/2 Shot 1300 FPS shells, which I’ve found to be my best “go to” round when shooting my Browning Citori White Satin Hunter (it’s a “fast” round which produces results). It works equally as well in the M4. Never a jam or failure, the gun always cycles it. 

    Thing about sporting clays is “reaction time.” In my experience, if you don’t pull the trigger in 1 sec or less, you have less than a 50% chance at hitting the clay. I usually “point and shoot,” using the “relative position” of the barrel end alligned with the clay, my arm and shoulder. I’m right handed, so I have about a 10 to 20 degree inward (left) rotation when shooting, swiveling on my hips. I watch other shooters try to “aim” on clays, sometimes not engaging until 3 sec. Low probability of dusting, based on distance. For doubles, I do “aim” on the second shot and for trap and wobble, if the clay is in the ghost ring on the M4, it’s dust. 

    Here’s a video of my nephew on the M4 (first time) shooting wobble (high stand). He learned on my Browning, which the other shooter, also my nephew, is using:

    Benelli M4 Range Day

  2. QUOTING: A member of the breach team fired at them with his Benelli M4 Super 90 semi-automatic shotgun, first killing three would-be bombers. Our source said: “The terrorists were no more than a few feet away when the SAS team came face to face with them. They had just finished morning prayers and were loading weapons into a vehicle. We now think they were about to carry out an attack. One of the breach team opened fire with a shotgun and shot dead three before they could get a shot off. Another two terrorists appeared from a building and he neutralised them as well. It was a case of bang, bang, bang, then bang, bang. It was over in seven seconds. Several other terrorists emerged from the building but immediately surrendered and began panicking as two of the bodies DIDN’T HAVE HEADS – they thought they were about to be executed.” 7seconds. DAMN...

    SAS Breach Team Engages Tangos with Benelli M4 Shotgun

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  3. On 6/10/2019 at 6:47 PM, StrangerDanger said:

    Those Hayl rails are comfortable, but the attachment system sucks. Using set screws is a terrible design. Briley is releasing their rail soon, which promises to be a better design. 

    I keep searching for the Bailey rail without success. Any information? THANKS!

  4. On 6/10/2019 at 6:47 PM, StrangerDanger said:

    Those Hayl rails are comfortable, but the attachment system sucks. Using set screws is a terrible design. Briley is releasing their rail soon, which promises to be a better design. 

    I keep searching for the Bailey rail without success. Any information? THANKS!

  5. First, thanks for the great post (with pictures no less). I really enjoy it when members take the time to create informative posts, then follow up by answering questions.

    Have to say, “reasonably priced” fore ends (that work well) seem to have become a thing of the past with M4s. I almost ordered this product on-sight after reading your post and seeing that it was available in FDE.

    But then I saw (for lack of a better term) “set screws” holding the fore end in place. That gave me pause. I regularly shoot my M4 (now, 2000+ rounds), so using it,  breaking it down, and cleaning it is a regular issue. Looks like the product video shows applying mild loctite as part of the install. Here are my concerns:

    (1) Given that the product uses “set screws” to maintain position, have you had any problems with fore end rotation or movement after the install, especially after a “range day” of shooting?

    (2) If you’ve shot your M4 regularly after the install, have you noticed any issues with the “set screws” moving, creating damage, or otherwise causing a nuisance after the install?

    (3) Do you use a mild loctite with the “set screws” and, if so, have you had any complications when removing the fore end for cleaning?  

    Advice appreciated and respected!

  6. Hi OP:

    Like you, I encountered the same problem after replacing the stock 5 round mag with a 7 round Freedom Fighter Tactical mag. It really is ammunition manufacture dependent, because not all shot shells are the same “exact” length. Even individual shells (by the same manufacturer) can vary. 

    So, here’s how I fixed it (there is no “replacement” mag cap “modification” that I know of, BTW). There are essentially 2 springs for the Benelli, “long” and “short” (count the coils, don’t measure how long it is). The long spring takes up more room in the tube. The “short” spring (which comes with the 5 round) takes up less. I use the “short” spring.

    Then, if you remove the srew-on mag cap, you will see a snap ring “cap” or “seat” (don’t remember the part name) that retains the mag spring in the tube. This “seat” is NOT indexed to the tube, meaning it can be seated deeply or at the very end of the tube and can be moved in or out. Using snap ring pliers, you can “back” this seat out some (it’s about 3/4 of an inch long). You DON’T need to back it out much, just enough so you see the end of it outside the tube (about 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch, if necessary). BE WARNED, backing it out too much will cause it to violently fly out of the end of the tube when you release compression, then you need to go looking for it (good luck with that, BTW). My seat is about 1/16 of an inch outside the tube.

    Those two together “fixed” the 7 round “problem” for me. I use Hornaday “Critical Defense” 00-BUCK (2 3/4). Last thing - and this is also important - if you shoot your gun at the range, MAKE SURE you occasionally crank down on the mag cap until it clicks. The cap has a tendency to loosen when shooting many rounds. I’m not sure if the cap actually retains the end of the “seat,” but I don’t chance it. 

    Hope this helps. Good luck!

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  7. So, by NO means am I an “expert” sporting clays shooter (I dust 20 or more of 25 clays in trap, 25/25 in wobble, maybe 18/25 in 5 stand), but I do enjoy the heck out of it. GREAT way to learn your gun. I regularly use my M4 (tactical/straight stock and the standard/modified Benelli black choke tube) for sporting clays (which raises some eyebrows at the range). I shoot Winchester “AA” Super Sport 2 3/4” 3 1/4 Dram, 7 1/2 Shot 1300 FPS shells, which I’ve found to be my best “go to” round when shooting my Browning Citori White Satin Hunter (it’s a “fast” round which produces results). It works equally as well in the M4. Never a jam or failure, the gun always cycles it. 

    Thing about sporting clays is “reaction time.” In my experience, if you don’t pull the trigger in 1 sec or less, you have less than a 50% chance at hitting the clay. I usually “point and shoot,” using the “relative position” of the barrel end alligned with the clay, my arm and shoulder. I’m right handed, so I have about a 10 to 20 degree inward (left) rotation when shooting, swiveling on my hips. I watch other shooters try to “aim” on clays, sometimes not engaging until 3 sec. Low probability of dusting, based on distance. For doubles, I do “aim” on the second shot and for trap and wobble, if the clay is in the ghost ring on the M4, it’s dust. 

    Here’s a video of my nephew on the M4 (first time) shooting wobble (high stand). He learned on my Browning, which the other shooter, also my nephew, is using:

    https://youtu.be/j9pCFC6k-V4

     

     

  8. Thank you for the NICE replies. I'll try to answer as best as I can. First up, NO, I've never served in the military and I am (and always will be) a "civilian." I have many friends who have served or are active duty, and will always respect the **** out of all of them. USMC are my favorite guys (sorry). Please, no misconceptions about me.

     

    That said, I have "enjoyed" a 30 year "public safety" career. I've been with or treated more than a thousand GSW victims, many who have died. I've experienced each caliber and type of weapon and witnessed, first hand, their effectiveness. Yes, I've received (and continue to participate in) weapons and tactics training. I'm no expert and never will be, but I enjoy what I do. Even if I'm old. I don't pretend to be someone I'm not and never will. My experiences, observations and opinions are my own, for what they are worth (which may not be much).

    I live and work in a dense urban environment that is a "high value" target. Each week ("we") intercept multiple "threats." Most of them you never hear about. Some you do. It's only a matter of time before the "war" comes to us and is successful in countering our "preparations." Civil insurrection (and violence) may follow, on a wider scale, especially in cities. It will not be quickly contained and it's that "contingency" I find concerning. Reasonably, 3 days (minimum) will likely be needed for a "recovery" of public order. During that time, anything could happen. If you don't believe that, read the FEMA after-action report on Katrina. It's enlightening.

    For me, the shotgun is an ideal "urban" defense weapon. The Benelli M4 has the advantage of a very high cycle rate, combined with effective munition choices common to all shotguns. In a 25yd AO radius, it's almost always lethal with the appropriate shot shell. It's military issued and combat proven. For me, that's all I need. I also use (and, in my opinion, recommend) a pistol for 80% or more of "defensive posture" applications. My choice is a SIG P220 with .45 ACP 185gr 1,000 FPS jacketed HP. Again, this round is almost always lethal in a 25yd AO, shoulders to waist. Both the shot shells and the .45 ACP have limited "ballistic energy" for longer ranges, unlike 7.62 and 5.56 rounds which can travel more than a mile with lethal energy. In a city with almost a million people packed into 50 square miles, that's a bad idea.

    In the pictures I shared you see two set-ups. The first is "lighter" and designed for mobility. The second is "heavier" and designed for property defense with limited mobility. It also adds an "intimidation factor" for discouragement. My choice for common use is the "lighter" set-up (the "run and gun" approach). If I need to protect where I live, I'll switch to the "heavier" set-up (the "hunker down" approach). Both are configured for "over the head" donning and I can be in them and ready in less than 30 seconds.

    The "lighter" set-up is centered on the "Battle Belt." The Slick plate carrier uses L3 11" X 14" plate with no mounted accessories. The Battle Belt has shot shell, .45 ACP mags, an enhanced "blow out" pouch and the side arm mounted. The tacos will hold just about anything, so other options are available. The "heavier" set-up is centered on the "Plate Carrier." The Modular plate carrier uses L3 10" X 12" plate with mounted accessories. The side arm is mounted "drop leg" (if I need to dump the plate carrier). I've also configured the Modular plate carrier to dump the armor plate by single pull tabs to quickly reduce weight (if needed to run). Yes, it's heavy. Three layers of shot shell is impractical, so I would likely use two (the outer layer is Velcro attached). The water bladder acts as a counter weight for balance.

    Hope this answers questions. I'd like to see pictures of other set-ups as well?

  9. LBT-6094 Plate Carrier; CATI Armor plate; HGSI Doubled Tacos (w/ HSGI V2 5rd Shot Shell Trays and SIG 10rd .45 ACP mags); Blackhawk Quick Release Medical Pouch, Blackhawk water bladder reservoir, HGSI Cobra Rigger Belt (w/ interior Velcro); HGSI Micro Grip Belt Panel; HGSI Triple Taco (w/ SIG 8rd .45 ACP mags); SureFire P2X Fury Tactical flashlight, Blackhawk L2 SERPA Tactical (drop leg) Holster fitted for the SIG P220 (combat) and an ESEE 4 knife with Kydex molle backed sheath.

    Like the Battle Belt, the Plate Carrier Tacos accept an additional Shot Shell Tray mounted to Velcro on the exterior face of the Taco. The Plate Carrier has 3 tray X 5rd X 4 pouches (60rd total) shot shell and 4 pouches X 10rd mags (40rd total) .45 ACP capacity.

    The Blackhawk SERPA Tactical (drop leg) Holster and an HGSI Triple Taco is also mounted to the Rigger Belt for separate use (additional 3 pouches X 8rd mags (24rd total).

    LBT 6094 Modular Plate Carrier and HSGI Rigger Belt (full view):

    IMG_0443_zpsm7azfni6.jpg

    LBT 6094 Modular Plate Carrier (w/ HSGI V2 5rd Shot Shell Trays, close up view):

    IMG_0444_zpshagahmvz.jpg

  10. LBT 6094-Slick Plate Carrier; CATI Armor plate; HGSI Cobra Rigger Belt (w/ interior Velcro); HGSI Sure Grip, Padded (Battle) Belt, Slotted; HGSI Double Tacos (w/ HSGI V2 5rd Shot Shell Trays); Blackhawk Quick Release Medical Pouch and a Blackhawk SERPA Belt Loop Holster fitted for the SIG P220 (combat).

    The Shot Shell Trays slide easily into the Tacos. One side is Velcro backed (as is the Taco) so they can be mounted secured or (by flipping them) mounted unsecured within the Taco. The Battle Belt has 2 tray X 5rd X 2 pouches (20rd total) shot shell and 4 pouches X 10rd mag (40rd total) .45 ACP capacity.

    LBT 6094-Slick Plate Carrier and HSGI Battle Belt (full view):

    IMG_0441_zps11psr058.jpg

    HGSI (Battle) Belt (w/ HSGI V2 5rd Shot Shell Trays, close up view):

    IMG_0442_zpskagudg8j.jpg

  11. Close up view of Velcro applied to the receiver for attachment of HGSI Shot Shell Trays. Trim the Velcro with a razor knife, making sure to leave room for the trigger guard pin.

    Benelli M4 receiver (close up of applied Velcro):

    IMG_0437_zpsgac4vhyp.jpg

    HGSI V2 5rd Shot Shell Trays, with buckshot and slug rounds. I usually run Hornady 1,600 FPS 2 3/4" "Critical Defense" 00 Buck and 2,000 FPS 300gr 2 3/4" "SST" slugs. Winchester slugs are shown mounted for range use.

    HSGI V2 Shot Shell Trays:

    IMG_0440_zpsa4js5v0c.jpg

  12. Hi All:

    This forum has been getting a little boring lately (sorry), so I figured I post some gear pictures. Please feel free to post yours as well. What follows is my set-up.

    Benelli M4 w/ mounted SureFire M951-KIT02; XM07 Tail Cap Switch and M93 Picatinny Rail adapter on a GG&G Sling and Flashlight Combo Mount; GG&G Rear looped sling attachment; GG&G Tactical Charging Handle; adhesive 2" Velcro applied to the receiver for attachment of HSGI V2 5rd Shot Shell Trays.

    Benelli M4 (long view):

     

    IMG_0435_zpsjkdw8bjs.jpg

    Closer view of Velcro applied to the receiver for attachment of Shot Shell Trays. This is 2" adhesive Velcro tape (black) bought at my local home center. Prep the receiver by cleaning it with Isopropyl alcohol.

    Benelli M4 receiver (closer view):

     

    IMG_0436_zpsobrbv4vo.jpg

  13. Hi All:

     

    Rumaging around on the Internet for these manuals is kind of a pain, so I'm linking them to this forum from my Google Drive. These links should be good forever, unless Google goes under or the Internet disappears:

     

    USMC Technical Manual (TM 10698A-10/1): Operator's Manual for Shotgun, Combat, 12 Guage Semi-Automatic M1014 1005-01-472-3147 November 2000 18410698000:

     

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxN5CusgXy6nbm1udXh5dzYyYUU

     

    Benelli M4 Product Manual M4 (comes with the shotgun):

     

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxN5CusgXy6nNmlRcGxjWEpOaXM

     

    ENJOY!

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  14. FYI, I ordered a "Dark Earth" Titanium M4 Mag Tube from Carrier Comp on 3/2/2017. I received a call from Marcie (who was VERY nice, we chatted for 10 min) tonight on 6/2/2017. Shipping next week. Exactly 3 months turn around.

     

    Glad to see small business suppliers like this husband and wife team still in the game and responsive. Please support them, even if it takes time. :)

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