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    Quote Originally Posted by Toaster View Post
    ..still havent bought one of these..

    After seeing how far their head is up their ass, I dont really care how cool their product is. I dont need a 200$ advertisement on my gun that causes issues, doesn't match, and is ran by some arrogant pricks.

    Too many products are supported by bandwagoners and lemmings before they are properly tested and proven.
    I'll stick with my aluminum oem trigger guard.. sure, its a touch loose side to side. But it looks great, fits great, and theres no problems!.
    The mark on the bottom even matches the design on the field stock. It is a pretty little accent that could use highlighting, maybe a little chalk, or white paint pen. Honestly, I'm surprised they did that on the OEM.

    I'm really glad my Benelli doesnt have "Benelli" plastered all over it, or I probably would have bought something else. I do not know why they must advertise, as if you didnt already buy the product. If they are worried about copies being represented as A&S, which I doubt, they could QC/proof it with a go-nogo gauge and then mark it good. Id be weary of such a critical component like this from an amatuer shop with zero previous credibility or repertoire.

    And to what standard are these being made..?+- 0.002-4 and such DOES exist.. What model is being used, what tolerances. The minimums? Maximums? Do they have the drawings, or an average from an appreciably sized sample?

    ...Wheres the "binary" triggers for m4s at... /sarcasm
    Very good points made here, not that I have a problem with A&S, but things that make ya go hhmmmm....
    Last edited by Jolly Roger; 11-14-2017 at 01:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toaster View Post
    ..still havent bought one of these..

    After seeing how far their head is up their ass, I dont really care how cool their product is. I dont need a 200$ advertisement on my gun that causes issues, doesn't match, and is ran by some arrogant pricks.

    Too many products are supported by bandwagoners and lemmings before they are properly tested and proven.
    I'll stick with my aluminum oem trigger guard.. sure, its a touch loose side to side. But it looks great, fits great, and theres no problems!.
    The mark on the bottom even matches the design on the field stock. It is a pretty little accent that could use highlighting, maybe a little chalk, or white paint pen. Honestly, I'm surprised they did that on the OEM.

    I'm really glad my Benelli doesnt have "Benelli" plastered all over it, or I probably would have bought something else. I do not know why they must advertise, as if you didnt already buy the product. If they are worried about copies being represented as A&S, which I doubt, they could QC/proof it with a go-nogo gauge and then mark it good. Id be weary of such a critical component like this from an amatuer shop with zero previous credibility or repertoire.

    And to what standard are these being made..?+- 0.002-4 and such DOES exist.. What model is being used, what tolerances. The minimums? Maximums? Do they have the drawings, or an average from an appreciably sized sample?

    ...Wheres the "binary" triggers for m4s at... /sarcasm
    You do realize that Benelli hand-fits their FCG's in some cases, yes?

    That said, the clearances DO exist for a reason, as SD has stated. This is why I have stuck with the ORIGINAL plan...OEM aluminum TG.

    My cousin, an old drag-racer/dirt-track racer, and mechanic (He was running low 11's at 120+ in the 70's...with pictures and time-slips to prove it that I've seen.) told me one time of Chrysler getting ahold of a Mercedes transmission "back in the day". They reverse engineered it, and made their own. Removing a lot of "tolerance slop" and using coatings on the parts and in general, making it super awesome! Well, the damn thing wouldn't even shift when they put it in a vehicle.

    Not all slop is bad slop. Benelli pushed the M1014 through some pretty damn intense testing at Picitinny, and I am loath to depart from their formula on critical parts. Safety buttons are not critical to function as long as they work. The weapon can even be fired without one, just no safety option. Things like shell lifters, and tolerances within the trigger pack, ARE critical things. I have opted to go OEM original, here.

    ...and yes, OEM original DOES have resistance to cocking the hammer with the safety on, and Benelli does touch upon it during their armorer courses, or at least, used to.

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    A related side question.

    Does anyone know at what date Benelli started using the alloy trigger guard assembly?

    thanks
    NRA Endowment Life Member

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    Quote Originally Posted by M2_shootr View Post
    A related side question.

    Does anyone know at what date Benelli started using the alloy trigger guard assembly?

    thanks
    1998ish or so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    ...and yes, OEM original DOES have resistance to cocking the hammer with the safety on, and Benelli does touch upon it during their armorer courses, or at least, used to.
    I have my original trigger group and I have the A&S trigger group with the FFT trigger parts, Wolfe springs, TTI Extended carrier that I built with all original Benelli parts except for those and the safety.

    There is no noticeable difference in how they feel during cocking, cycling or firing. The trigger pull on the A&S is about 1/2 pound less than factory stock and I would attribute that to the springs.

    PS when I sanded down one of the flats a couple of thousandths on the safety it had nothing to do with the performance of the safety at all. It would have been no different if I had sand a little of the finish off of the A&S trigger guard on the outside bottom.

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    Last edited by Intervention; 11-14-2017 at 11:04 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    1998ish or so
    Thank you for the info
    NRA Endowment Life Member

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unobtanium View Post
    You do realize that Benelli hand-fits their FCG's in some cases, yes?
    i find this hard to believe, other than what does "in some cases" mean, factory workers final assemble the shotguns with the exception of the Vinci shotgun, the manufacturing of which - from processing of raw materials to final packaging is entirely automated. Anyone who has seen the Benelli computerized factory knows that they have as little human hands on as possible. Take a look...

    https://youtu.be/XCj0PCGGxtA

    "Computer-driven robots can make gun parts to much more demanding tolerances than anyone can do by hand," explained Gian Luigi Boninella, plant manager at Benelli. His factory can produce 700 auto-loading shotguns per day- about 600 more than a factory full of hand craftsman could do. And they will be tighter-fitting and more blemish-free than anything produced by hand, Boninella claimed, because the element of human error has been removed.

    https://www.fieldandstream.com/photo...o-italy#page-6

    http://gunsforsale.com/manufacturer/benelli-firearms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intervention View Post
    ..........There is no noticeable difference in how they feel during cocking, cycling or firing. The trigger pull on the A&S is about 1/2 pound less than factory stock and I would attribute that to the springs.

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    I would attribute that to there being no safety at all installed in the A&S

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    The picture was taken before the safety was installed. They were tested completely assembled as described above.

    I have only provided input to the original thread question by Jolly Roger regarding the M4's FCG's behavior.

    I am not a salesperson for the G&S or any of the other parts I have used. I am not trying to convince anyone to get my setup. I could care less, if they put their logo on the bottom of the trigger housing, the only person that's going to see it is the dead guy laying on the ground. The unit is solid and I have no doubts about it's reliability.
    Last edited by Intervention; 11-14-2017 at 02:39 PM.

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    I would just about bet that if 5 people copied your set up exactly.... we would have 5 different outcomes.

    When you get into doing things like this, they all require "gunsmithing" to achieve desired results. If not, your just installing a new carburetor without tuning it afterwards.
    It may work ok, and you can brag that you have it installed but in the end its not race ready.
    Last edited by Jolly Roger; 11-14-2017 at 05:32 PM.

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