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Recently, I created a new blog on Obama's website. Below is the blog. Now, I realize this forum is only for mechanical issues and I truly am not trying to "impose my will" on anybody, nor am I trying to bend/ignore the rules. I just figured, with everybody here being a gun owner and if living in the US, might be interested in this. After all, election day is approaching very soon. I give my word here, this post will be the last of its kind from me. I take no offense whatsoever if the admin locks or deletes this thread. I completely understand. But, until then, if you feel like it..Id love to hear your opinion(s) regarding this issue. It just might be interesting....

 

"First off, let me say that as of yet, I am an undecided voter. I have been raised in an otherwise Republican family, yet my decision this time around is not set in stone by any means. However, one issue that has yet, to my knowledge, to be addressed publicly by the candidate is gun control and the right to bear arms. Based on reliable sources, however, it is my belief that Obama is of the "gun control" crowd. This scares me...a lot. I'm not going to get into the nitty gritty of things by posting quotes or rambling on about the Second Ammendment. However, I need to get a few things off my chest.

 

First, these people who insist that those of us who own handguns/shotguns are just mindless, gun crazy hicks are narrow-minded, to say the least. I am betting that very few of these people have ever been a victim of a violent crime and understand what it feels like to be truly helpless. I, however, do know what this feels like. Quite a few years ago, a friend of mine and myself were held at gunpoint by two juveniles **** bent on stealing my friends car. This happened at a local car wash. I will never forget the feeling of having a 9mm shoved in my face and being ordered to lie face down on the pavement. If this had happened in my own home, the feelings would have been far more palpable and dire indeed. Face the facts people, the police can only do so much. More often than not, the police show up AFTER a violent crime has been commited, not before or during. They simply do not have the necessary man power nor capability to respond quick enough. Personally, I am not willing to bet my life or the lives of my family on the "possibility" that help may or may not arrive fast enough. Are you?

 

A message for those politicians who say that you can keep a firearm in your home as long as it is 'unloaded, locked or disassembled". THIS IS BLATANT STUPIDITY!!! Obviously, you know almost nothing about firearms. Regardless, imagine if you will, trying to fumble around for the precious key which will unlock your firearm lock, then loading it..not to mention, if necessary, re-assembling the weapon. All of this during the dead of night and with a home intruder bearing down on you and your family. Do you really think this would be possible? Do you really think any criminal is going to give you a chance to make your otherwise inoperable firearm operable? Not a chance. An unloaded and severely locked or disassembled weapon is nothing more than a useless paper weight. Would YOU defend your family with a paper weight? I doubt it.

 

For those of you who believe handguns or the like, when taken out of the home, would reduce domestic shootings or horrible accidents resulting in the end of innocent life..I offer the following. In the first place, guns dont kill people...people kill people, whether through careless negligence or merciless malice. As with all dangerous or potentially lethal things in life, it takes a great amount of responsibility and care to ensure that things, such as guns, are handled and maintained properly. If improperly handled or misused, almost ANYTHING can become a deadly/maiming weapon. Take a look in your garage, tool shed or kitchen drawers...you will find MANY such items. Gun ownership is not just a privilege, it is a responsibility.

 

Now, for those who think that banning guns will make for a safer America...OPEN YOUR EYES!! By taking away peoples right to defend themselves, particularly in their own home, you are essentially leaving their fate up to the person or persons currently threatening their lives. Criminals do not see society the way law-abiding citizens do. They live life by a different code..more often than not one of selfishness and greed. Do not think for a second that a home intruder cares anything for your values, rights or your family. To think this is a potentially lethal fairy tale.

 

Criminals, being forever resourceful, will ALWAYS find a way to acquire guns....ALWAYS. To think otherwise is blatantly naive. So, dont think for a second that by banning guns in the home, this will make any kind of a "difference". IT WONT!!!! You will merely be taking away one of the few "leveraging" tools available to the law abiding citizen and giving it to criminal. Ridiculous...and lethal.

 

In closing, I shall admit, that I see no problem with strong background checks for those who wish to purchase a weapon. Nor do I see any problem with, say, requiring those who wish to acquire a conceal/carry permit to attend a week long course on handgun safety and the responsible management of such said weapon. However, to strip Americans of their right to protect their family or to, in the very least, considerably handicap them of the means to do so, is not only un-Constitutional....it is un-American."

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Hey everybody, I realize this thread isn't quite as useful as a "why the h*** isn't my gun working" or "how do I do this or that" thread. But, assuming most of you live in the US, this election just might effect you in more ways than you realize. Then again, it may not. But, certainly its something worth worrying about and as a result, worth commenting on! Take a break from your shotgun woes and jump in with the comments!! After all, Im sure this thread wont be around too much longer.:p

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noob,

 

well written, so what responses have you gotten so far on Obamas website??

 

None yet. But then again, I am among several thousand blogs on that site. I truly dont expect much in terms of a response, unfortunately. Also, I just posted the blog this evening..so we shall see. It is my hope that I will stir some things up, who knows. Thanks though.

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I live in Oklahoma, which is for now, a gun friendly state.

 

Your fellow Oklahomans have already decided for you that your single vote means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

You may as well go hunting on Tuesday and not worry about it anymore.

 

McCain leads OK by a near 2-1 ratio.

 

You may be personally undecided, but the rest of the state is solidly red.

 

Personally, as someone voting in a tightly contested state, I have already educated myself well beyond the issue of gun control, and I have decided that whatever flavor of change we get will be change for the better. :cool:

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Your fellow Oklahomans have already decided for you that your single vote means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

You may as well go hunting on Tuesday and not worry about it anymore.

 

McCain leads OK by a near 2-1 ratio.

 

You may be personally undecided, but the rest of the state is solidly red.

 

Personally, as someone voting in a tightly contested state, I have already educated myself well beyond the issue of gun control, and I have decided that whatever flavor of change we get will be change for the better. :cool:

 

I appreciate your thoughts. I also was not particularly concerned about whom most Oklahomans would vote for. I figured that most of us are Republican by nature. However, Im not sure I agree with your statement about the "flavor of change." Never before have I been more concerned about my choice of candidate. Sure, Obama seems smooth, well educated and convincing. But, his views seem somewhat, umm, dubious to me. You may have looked far beyond gun control, and thats great. But, imagine if you will, a world where neither you nor I am allowed to own firearms. Now, the economy may thrive and world peace may reign. But, if that masked man breaks into your home and you have nothing to even the odds..what then? I sure hope that you are EXTREMELY fast and are a master at disarming techniques. Otherwise......well, you know. Personally, Id rather be broke than dead.

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Obama has stated that he wishes to remove firearms from the hands of people who live in the inner cities.

 

He also stated that "bitter small town people cling to god and guns" or some such rubbish. Obama is DEFINITELY anti-gun.

 

NOOB- This is not the place for this thread, BUT, without public awareness, there won't be many threads posted that DO belong here. I put my .02 in that the Mod's leave this thread where it is as long as it is informational and doesn't turn into a free-for all or something.

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Obama has stated that he wishes to remove firearms from the hands of people who live in the inner cities.

 

He also stated that "bitter small town people cling to god and guns" or some such rubbish. Obama is DEFINITELY anti-gun.

 

NOOB- This is not the place for this thread, BUT, without public awareness, there won't be many threads posted that DO belong here. I put my .02 in that the Mod's leave this thread where it is as long as it is informational and doesn't turn into a free-for all or something.

 

I agree that this is not the place for such a thread, as I acknowledged in my first post. However, I could not find another "appropriate" venue on this forum. I only posted here because this is a topic that, I believe, transcends the usual "mechanically related" issues this site was truly meant for. As I mentioned earlier, I will not be posting another topic such as this. But, to think that a candidate who, as you stated is very anti-gun, may just make it in to office is very scary indeed. Thank God he has Congress to go through. I can only hope that they remain staunch supporters of gun rights. Hopefully, if anything, those of us currently owning firearms will be Grandfathered in. If not, I hope that the "powers that be" will at least allow for the ownership of shotguns for self-defense. On that note, some states currently will NOT allow handguns in the home BUT will allow shotguns. This, even though shotguns are potentially far more deadly. Just goes to show the ignorance at play here.

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As long as the laws do not stop criminals from having the ability to arms themselves, they have little chance of stopping me from doing the same.

 

I obey the Constitution and my conscience.

 

I had written lots more, but I just removed it all.

A stated, this isn't the place for these kinds of discussions.

Every single person who reads these posts could change their minds and vote the other way on next Tuesday, and it would matter none at all.

 

This one's in the books, and I'm just happy to see the whitehouse getting new tennants in January.

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As long as the laws do not stop criminals from having the ability to arms themselves, they have little chance of stopping me from doing the same.

 

I obey the Constitution and my conscience.

 

I had written lots more, but I just removed it all.

A stated, this isn't the place for these kinds of discussions.

Every single person who reads these posts could change their minds and vote the other way on next Tuesday, and it would matter none at all.

 

This one's in the books, and I'm just happy to see the whitehouse getting new tennants in January.

 

First, the "laws" that govern you and I owning firearms have little to do with how criminals acquire them. We do so through legal, regulated means. They do not. So, to think that as long as they are able to acquire firearms, you will be able to as well, is naive. Second, as I have stated before...I realize this is not the place for such a topic. Yet, it just might be...After all, we are all gun owners, are we not? If you read the other posts, some believe that while this may not be the best avenue for such a discussion, it should not be ignored nor deleted nonetheless. I have mentioned several times that I acknowledge the true meaning behind this forum and that in the future, no more posts such as this will be written by me. I am simply interested in the opinions of others regarding this topic. Personally, I find this topic rather interesting. Im sure that, in no time, this thread will work its way to the end of the line. Thats fine...Until then, Im just interested in opinions. You seem fine with the way things may go. I however, do not. It is these differences that makes topics such as this interesting, regardless of whether or not they "belong" here. BTW- Im not trying to sway people to think as I do, I am just simply sharing my .02 worth. Please dont pass me off as someone who is clueless or thinks that its "his way or the wrong way". My single vote may not make much of a difference, but it certainly cant hurt my particular cause. Fair enough?

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Well written, ShotgunNoob! If only a quarter of those who will cast a vote on Tuesday would give even half this much thought to ANY issue, the country would be in safe hands -- if they had done it during the primaries, we would have been better off.

 

However, change for the sake of change is what brought Hitler to power in 1930's Germany. Be very careful when that becomes the only reason to vote for a candidate regardless of his or her political affiliation. Not all changes are equal nor desirable.

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First, the "laws" that govern you and I owning firearms have little to do with how criminals acquire them. We do so through legal, regulated means. They do not. So, to think that as long as they are able to acquire firearms, you will be able to as well, is naive.

 

I had a hunch you'd miss that one, but it was worth a shot. :rolleyes:

 

As for the comment regarding the country being in safe hands; we could turn it over to circus clowns and be better off than we've been for the past 8 years.

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I had a hunch you'd miss that one, but it was worth a shot. :rolleyes:

 

As for the comment regarding the country being in safe hands; we could turn it over to circus clowns and be better off than we've been for the past 8 years.

 

Well, I get your previous statement if you happen to consider yourself a criminal! :D If I missed your point, please explain it to me. Either Im just tired or your sentence structure was a bit off. Oh, and even though I think the "country being in safe hands" is a comment from a different person, I will address your response. You have to understand, nobody here, at least not me, is arguing about anything other than gun control. For this forum, this is my only concern. I will save war, wages, health care, taxes, etc.,etc., for other forums. So, I am not saying that just because I disagree with, lets say, Obamas possible gun control issues, I automatically think that everything else he stands for is bunk. I am simply speaking about one topic alone. Not the state of the country!!!

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I have decided that whatever flavor of change we get will be change for the better. :cool:

 

I'm just quoting this for later use against you.

 

Holy cow tucker, are you even serious?

 

You actually believe that Obama+Reid+Pelosi ... that all 3 branches of government controlled (perhaps fillibuster proof) by liberals is going to be good for the country, your individual rights and your well being? Not to mention the core structure of capitalism? You actually ...

 

Wow.

 

The rise of Obama is one of the scariest, most incredible things I've ever witnessed in my 23 years of living. I simply cannot beleive what I see unfolding before my eyes. I simply cannot beleive how incredibly f****d we are if he gets in.

 

I'm not voting FOR McCain on Nov 4th ... I'm voting AGAINST Obama.

 

If McCain does NOTHING for 4 years other than sit in the chair and press the veto button ... I would be happy at this point.

 

This country deserves to burn.

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Not what I said, Duggan.

 

What I said is that, regardless of which candidate wins this time around, it's a vast improvement over what we've had to endure for the past eight years under Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc.

 

The single most important thing about this election isn't about who's moving in. It's about who's moving out.

 

America will no longer be piloted by drunk drivers.

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Well, I get your previous statement if you happen to consider yourself a criminal!

 

Nope, not at all.

The 2nd Amendment is the supreme gun law, trumping any and all state and local laws. As long as I abide by it, I'm within the law.

 

People (and legislators) get this notion that the Constitution is some ancient historical cool document from the days of infancy of this great nation.

In fact, it is THE LAW. Any ridiculous laws like gun laws, the patriot act, etc. which conflict with its core principles are null and void.

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The only part I object to is this:

 

"Gun ownership is not just a privilege, it is a responsibility. "

 

It is a RIGHT, NOT A PRIVILEGE! There are those in our society who want to make it a privilege, however.

 

I try really hard not to be a one-issue voter, but I do use gun control as a litmus test. A bright woman once said:

 

"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of."

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What I said is that, regardless of which candidate wins this time around, it's a vast improvement over what we've had to endure for the past eight years under Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc.

 

No. Just no.

 

I bet you and every other American that has been fooled by the empty "CHANGE" suit will be in for a nasty surprise when you find out what BHO is really going to do to this country.

 

I'd wager on a much stronger world government, much weaker USA, sweeping gun bans, a strong fairness doctrine that strangles alternative media, ramped up permanent federal hate crime legislation, buffed affirmative action, much higher taxes on EVERYTHING, strangulation of ALL business, not just large business, price increases the likes of which we have never seen, lots of goods will be become unavailable, lots of businesses will go under because they either can't afford to operate under such a heavy burden or the owners refuse to work under a socialist system, blatant wealth redistribution, a crime increase like we haven't seen in years, a severe decline of the importance of the constitution, at least 2 judges put into place with socialist views (not to mention anti 2nd amendment), a severe decline in personal freedoms, mandated programs, much stricter environmental standards, a HUGE increase in ******* labor union power and presence and membership, absolutely killing the military's viability, HUGE regulation on wall street, further federally mandated housing and loan projects that we will pay for, I don't even know, it goes on and on.

 

The amount of damage Bush has done (he spent too much, odd foreign policy, over extended our economy, uhh, he gave contracts to "friends", he pissed off some countries, the patriot act, homeland defense, etc) will PALE in comparison to what has yet to come. I'm no Bush fan, and I think he's been a pretty bad president, but saying that Obama will be better than Bush just because he's different would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad and outrageous.

 

I'll admit, Obama's plan may work in the short term, with people yearning for "ANY CHANGE", even if it's a shift towards blatant socialism. The sheer enthusiasm of people for this man, this man of NO SUBSTANCE, may just power the country into following him and his plan for a short while. Things MAY very well get better before they get worse ... but they will get worse. 10x worse. You can't do what he wants to do without destroying the free market system and what this country was founded on. You can't do what he wants to do without destroying the things that make america great.

 

I almost want Obama to win just to watch this country burn, we truly deserve it if we are stupid and fickle enough to let someone like Obama into the white house.

 

It's just absolutely sickening to me how bias the media coverage of Obama is, and how he gets away with ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING. It's unbelievable. Did you see the clip of Biden getting mega pissed when that news woman in Orlando actually ASKED him a question about Obama being a blatant socialist? HOW DARE SOMEONE ASK HIM A HARD QUESTION, ONLY MCCAIN IS SUPPOSED TO GET THOSE 24/7!

 

Obama has risen to power by speaking well off a teleprompter, looking attractive, and saying absolutely nothing of value. Rhetoric, unkeepable promises, absolute empty suit politics. AND HE GETS AWAY WITH IT 110%. It's the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life.

 

Nothing else to say, I've already wasted too much text on deaf ears.

 

If you vote for Obama, you deserve the "change" that is coming.

 

A good read I just found:

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=1

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This is a qoute form your post.

 

"Now, for those who think that banning guns will make for a safer America...OPEN YOUR EYES!!"

 

I think you are on the wrong forum for this quote. Have you seen the pictures of what some of the members own. Obviously, most of us do not support bannign guns.

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Duggan,

Both sides are promoting "Change", lest you forget.

I'm fine with either outcome, and I'm ecstatic that that the Cheney dynasty is coming to an end.

 

You might want to look at what little miss fairplay newswoman's husband does for a living. That stuff doesn't also get through the Newscorp filters.

 

He's a media consultant for the GOP.

 

You didn't really think those questions came from her empty pretty head, did you? :rolleyes:

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