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In the grand state of Massachusetts, I used to vote for folks that said they would leave the gun laws alone. Back then you could go to the local Police Chief and get a temp permit to purchase a handgun, bring it home and keep it in your house forever. This temp permit didn't allow you to carry or take your new purchase to the range. Then starting in 1986, those people I voted for started making huge sweeping changes in the state gun laws. In 2008, trying to purchase a legal Massachusetts firearm, is a long and difficult procedure that will cost you lots of money and time and just pray your home town Chief is not an anti-gun sort of guy, because the bottom line is, it's his "whim" if you get a permit or not. Of course none of our new laws pertain to criminals. The moral of my little story? Politician's will say whatever it takes to get elected and then do whatever they want afterwards. In Massachusetts, if anybody finds out I subscribe to this forum, the state police will tap my phone line.... hey what was that click I just heard? :(

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Nope, not at all.

The 2nd Amendment is the supreme gun law, trumping any and all state and local laws. As long as I abide by it, I'm within the law.

 

People (and legislators) get this notion that the Constitution is some ancient historical cool document from the days of infancy of this great nation.

In fact, it is THE LAW. Any ridiculous laws like gun laws, the patriot act, etc. which conflict with its core principles are null and void.

 

Ok, I will concede your point. However, Im sure there are many "in power" who would love nothing more than to "modernize" the Constitution and thus essentially, re-write it. Would it be probable? More than likely not. But, possible? Perhaps.....

 

Anyway, you can stand behind your Second Ammendment rights all you want but, if these "null and void" laws say you cannot own a gun or that you can BUT with many ridiculous conditions attached, you will still pay h*ll for bending these laws. Will you win out in the end? Maybe..But, more than likely, at a HUGE cost. Personally, I would rather not take that chance.

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The only part I object to is this:

 

"Gun ownership is not just a privilege, it is a responsibility. "

 

It is a RIGHT, NOT A PRIVILEGE! There are those in our society who want to make it a privilege, however.

 

I try really hard not to be a one-issue voter, but I do use gun control as a litmus test. A bright woman once said:

 

"How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of."

 

Well yes, it is a "right", as you mention. However, I consider it not just a right, but also a privilege...thanks to the Second Ammendment. I dont think any of us "earned" the right to bear arms, we were GIVEN that right. To me, that falls under the heading of "privelege", no?

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This is a qoute form your post.

 

"Now, for those who think that banning guns will make for a safer America...OPEN YOUR EYES!!"

 

I think you are on the wrong forum for this quote. Have you seen the pictures of what some of the members own. Obviously, most of us do not support bannign guns.

 

I think you missed the point on this. This entire "rant" of mine was originally posted on the Obama forums. By "those who think that banning guns will make for a safer America, etc., etc.", I was making a reference to supporters of this idea, in particular, the Obama camp and others like him. I simply copy/pasted what I wrote on that website. Again, this topic was NOT written specifically for this forum. The reason I posted it here was to garner opinions concerning my blog. Nothing more.

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Lots of interesting brain candy here. Here's a few points to consider:

 

1. A supermajority in Congress and the Senate coupled with a Democratic president means a much greater likelihood of change...change we may or may not like.

 

2. Congress makes the laws of this land and the Supreme Court interprets the constitution. Some judges are strict constructionists and others are revisionists. If you take the time to read all 157 pages of the Supreme Court ruling in District of Columbia vs Heller you'll quickly see how the judges align. This ruling could have easily gone the other way if different judges had been appointed and our alleged gun "rights" would be under attack.

 

3. We have a unique opportunity and right to vote in this country. People from all over the world have immigrated here just to live in this society. Apathetic citizens are one reason politicians have run amuck. We're responsible for electing them and we're also responsible for taking them to task when they don't do what we want. We do that by contacting them when we're not happy with them and by voting them out when the opportunity arises.

 

4. If anyone believes the public is powerless, check out Cooper Firearms website http://www.cooperfirearms.com/

 

The president of the company donated money to Obama 16 times and gun owners found out. Just today, the board of directors asked him to resign. We can create a similar stir by exercising our rights to vote and communicate with our legislators.

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Hypocrisy in overdrive:

"The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc."

 

Think about it for a moment. A company with their very livelihood riding on one part of the Constitution takes a dump on another part of it, because of ignorance and backwards assumptions about what a politician MIGHT do IF elected.

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Hypocrisy in overdrive:

"The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc."

 

Think about it for a moment. A company with their very livelihood riding on one part of the Constitution takes a dump on another part of it, because of ignorance and backwards assumptions about what a politician MIGHT do IF elected.

 

Amen Brother!

 

I find all the doom and gloom rhetoric amusing, if not just a bit paranoid. Gun-control this, and socialist that . . . Ugh.

 

If you really wanted to talk about socialism, and redistributing wealth, let's talk about Bush bailing out EVERY big business that seems to go under. Now that's socialism. Capitalized gains, government funded losses. Oh, wait, that's WORSE than socialism, they get to keep the gains, and we fund their losses. Do you guys realize what that is going to cost YOU?

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Noob,

 

"I dont think any of us "earned" the right to bear arms, we were GIVEN that right. "

 

You need to go back and re-read the definition of "RIGHT."

 

A right is not something that is given to you, nor is it a privilege.

 

It is something you have, simply because you exist, that cannot and should not be taken from you except in extreme cases.

 

All the Bill of Rights say is that you have these rights, by birth, and the government can't infringe upon them and take them away, as long as you are a law-abiding citizen.

 

Too many people thing RIGHTS are things the government grants them. That's just plain wrong. Its just the opposite.

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Noob,

 

"I dont think any of us "earned" the right to bear arms, we were GIVEN that right. "

 

You need to go back and re-read the definition of "RIGHT."

 

A right is not something that is given to you, nor is it a privilege.

 

It is something you have, simply because you exist, that cannot and should not be taken from you except in extreme cases.

 

All the Bill of Rights say is that you have these rights, by birth, and the government can't infringe upon them and take them away, as long as you are a law-abiding citizen.

 

Too many people thing RIGHTS are things the government grants them. That's just plain wrong. Its just the opposite.

 

Well then I guess all of these people, including me, who worry about having their "right" to bear arms infringed upon are just needlessly worrying, eh? I understand what you are saying, and please keep in mind that my statements are very general in nature. I dont claim to be an expert on politics OR the Constitution. However, if things were as cut and dry as you infer, then the issue of gun control would be a moot one. Yet, it is not. It was man who established these core "rights" you speak of. Therefore, at some point, in some way, these rights were bestowed upon us. In light of this, I still consider this a privelege. Do we "deserve" or "own" these rights simply because we exist? Who knows... Either way, people must understand that this is just a small issue with me. I am certainly aware of the BIG picture here and that gun control issues are but a drop in the bag. Regardless, Im done with this topic. Politics, like religion, just cannot be argued in a productive manner.

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"Hypocrisy in overdrive:

"The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc."

 

Think about it for a moment. A company with their very livelihood riding on one part of the Constitution takes a dump on another part of it, because of ignorance and backwards assumptions about what a politician MIGHT do IF elected."

 

Hmmm...assumptions about what a politician might do if elected? I'm basing my "assumption" on what a politician will do based on what he has has already said and done. These are just a few of the links I found while doing a simple internet search.

 

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

 

http://www.gunlawnews.org/Senators/Barack-Obama.html

 

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/06/13/obamas-voting-record-in-the-illinois-state-senate/

 

http://www.lufkindailynews.com/opin/content/news/opinion/stories/2008/10/12/letter_samson.html

 

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6026

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/06/AR2008040601652.html

 

http://blogs.abcnews.com/legalities/2008/02/obama-and-guns.html

 

http://www.anchorweb.org/opinions/1.824081

 

Now for those that sit back and say, well these are all far right extremist sources...guess again. Beyond that, his voting record is all I need to see...the rest is rhetoric designed to win votes.

 

Many of us have strong beliefs in this upcoming election. That's good! Get out and vote em. I've been stationed in countries where the climate isn't so, shall we say "voter friendly" and voting rights for those citizens isn't an option. I urge everyone to take advantage of their right to vote. Together, we'll decide the next president.

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LOL! Well, there's much more in the remaining links than what you've explored and far more information out there on the internet and in the voting records.

 

He voted opposite of how I would have preferred he voted 18 of 19 times...that's good enough for me on the issue of gun control.

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I say we ought to ban guns. I already have my fair share and am going to stash the good stuff for a 10x resale markup on the black market when the time comes. People do not kill people. Guns kills people. It is a fact. I read that in the Internet somewhere...

 

People do not kill people? Did I just hear you right? Well, then I guess along with guns, you may as well lump in vehicles, knives, lawn/farming equipment, power tools, etc. Any of these things are simply, for the most part, mechanical mechanisms. They have no mind of their own. They dont decide WHO gets hurt by them or HOW. Its up to human error or malicious, willful human intent to "decide" just how deadly or harmful any of these things become. If I get shot, whether by accident or on purpose, Im going to immediately start blaming a human, not some mindless mechanical item.

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I say we ought to ban guns. I already have my fair share and am going to stash the good stuff for a 10x resale markup on the black market when the time comes. People do not kill people. Guns kills people. It is a fact. I read that in the Internet somewhere...

Check out this website. It is the Democrapic Party's stand on "gun control" the plans for this ban have been in place for a long time. They are just waiting to gain the power to put it in place. This time, it will not have a "sunset". SCAREY!!!

http://ontheissues.org/Archive/Dem_Platform_2004_Gun_Control.htm

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WE have a right called the 2nd amendment and Barack clearly doesn't understand it. He can try to take our guns away but we won't go down without one **** of a fight.

 

- As a matter of fact, How does the gun ban even work when he have the right to own guns no matter what?

 

- What a load of BULL****.

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Noob, your noobness is showing.

 

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Hmm...this whole "noob" thing seems familiar. Let me guess...Either this is a reference to someone who buys into everything "hook, line and sinker", which wouldnt apply in this case or you are inviting me to "take the bait." Im betting on the latter.

 

But, regardless whether or not Im close on this one, I am giving up my ranting ways. Well, at least as far as this topic is concerned.:rolleyes: As I mentioned before, arguing politics, while interesting, always leads to a dead end. So, I will leave the proverbial "dead horse" alone on this one. Peace.

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