tactical1 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 GunBroker - M4 Scope Base - buy now $145 - whew! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=122214682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 GunBroker - M4 Scope Base - buy now $145 - whew! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=122214682 That's the same crappy rail that comes on an m4 regularly ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundoc Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 cleefurd, Are they done yet ? whats the hold up ? heck it's been at least 3 days ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmcg Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 So I have to ask, why would Benelli not provide a standard 1913 spec rail on this? It seems a little crazy with their current selection. Thoughts? I very much look forward to another Cleefurd product! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 So I have to ask, why would Benelli not provide a standard 1913 spec rail on this? It seems a little crazy with their current selection. Thoughts? I very much look forward to another Cleefurd product! They're Italian ... you have to expect them to be a bit odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cleefurd Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 May have been EGW, but somewhere along the line someone started ordering and furnishing extrusions with that "sight channel", apparently not aware of the inherent weakness it posed with mounts like LaRue's. I personally am suprised it was not kicked back by someone at SYSCOM, PWS, Aberdeen or whoever did sights/optics review during trials. The only available extrusions I have found so far are out of spec (way under) on the datum/width. We may have to machine from billet if something does not materialize soon. Still a few replies being awaited before we can set course. More soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 May have been EGW, but somewhere along the line someone started ordering and furnishing extrusions with that "sight channel", apparently not aware of the inherent weakness it posed with mounts like LaRue's. I personally am suprised it was not kicked back by someone at SYSCOM, PWS, Aberdeen or whoever did sights/optics review during trials. The only available extrusions I have found so far are out of spec (way under) on the datum/width. We may have to machine from billet if something does not materialize soon. Still a few replies being awaited before we can set course. More soon. I am also surprised ... And it sucks that nobody has the right stuff for you ... but I guess if you do it yourself you'll know exactly what's in it and what spec it's made to. Must cost more though ... but for say, 200 units, worst case scenario, if you had to machine from billet, cut and anodize everything yourself, what would you think MSRP would run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cleefurd Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Hopefully that "worst case" scenario from billet price will be estimated by weeks end, since our R&D dept WILL be tasked with a response demand today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted February 19, 2009 Author Share Posted February 19, 2009 Bump for answers to burning questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cleefurd Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Still finalizing details on material source, down to 2 options. More soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cleefurd Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 (edited) Material inbound. Will be flat on top like M1913A drawings. Will also have "T6/T8/T10/and T12" markings in respective grooves. T2-T4 were not practical due to screw placement. They will be hard coat Type 3 mil-spec anodized (certified) for durability in matte texture similar to OEM part. They will also use YOUR factory screws and washers which are VERY high quality (no need to replace or substitute)... more soon. P.S. Also made 50 (fifty) choke mounted recoil reducers by customer demand. I had numerous inquiries about it as shown on my collapsible stock project photo. A few people have made similar copies but none of them are faithful repros of the OEM unit, since every copy I have ever seen has all vent holes perpendicular to the bore axis. When Benelli still offered them they had the primary holes angled forward to create an outward "draft" for the final holes that enhanced efficiency. They are more expensive to produce that way, but I figure if you're gonna make a "knock-off", it might as well be a faithful one. They will come complete with heat treated stainless steel extended choke tube in "IC" for slug compatibility. Because they are "muzzle attachments" defined in H.R.922R these WILL be marked "USA" prior to anodizing. They will complete and catalog before the top rails referenced in this post since they were already under-way. As soon as they are complete I will post photos, and they will be available in the store. Now you all know where I've been the last few weeks... keeping my promise to expand Also have material in hand for titanium bolt knobs. We have been busy trying to catch up on other orders, and are nearing a "GO" now that we are coming up for air. Edited February 27, 2009 by cleefurd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted February 26, 2009 Author Share Posted February 26, 2009 You are the ******* man. Thank you for all your hard work on this project as well as all the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yallknowho Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 man that is awesome news. You really are the man Cleefurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundoc Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 (edited) Great idea going with the T6/T8/T10/and T12 markings Please make sure you save one for me !! Edited February 27, 2009 by gundoc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaCaw Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 I'm not sure if you've considered this but I believe Daves Metal Works makes a mil-spec 1913 picatinny rail for the M4. Check it out, ww.davesmetalworks.com/ben.html HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huklbrry Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 So I take it that noone makes a shell carrier for the M-4 like Mesa's with the correct 1913 rail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cleefurd Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) I'm not sure if you've considered this but I believe Daves Metal Works makes a mil-spec 1913 picatinny rail for the M4. Check it out, ww.davesmetalworks.com/ben.html HTH Didn't want to go there... but I installed one of Dave's for a fellow Marine. Yes he knew how to use a screwdriver, it was the drilling and tapping he wanted assistance with. See notes in product description; http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=418424&t=11082005 Aside from requiring gunsmithing and drilling new holes in the M4's receiver, DMW's base was well made, although steel. I prefer the OEM footprint though over his continued use of the "wide-base" style which is usually the result of fabrication from billet with a cutter that cuts the lower angles and sides from the same fixturing orientation as the top surface, or from an extrusion aimed at providing a wider base for stability, The one we have modelled and bought tooling for will cost less, use OEM screws in the OEM holes (requiring no gunsmithing), have the T# designators T6/T8/T10/T12, and M1913A compliant "grooveless" top surface. The above information is ONLY intended to compare our previous experiences with our current direction and rationale. Always keeping in mind there are many ways to skin the proverbial cat. Edited February 28, 2009 by cleefurd added the word "proverbial" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huklbrry Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 So would it be possible to attach a 6 to 8 round shell carrier and an Eotech on the DMW rail? The difficulty with the nubs on Benneli's and Mesa's rail and their ability to hold a scope has me a little apprehensive towards making the purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huklbrry Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 What does the T# mean? (T6/T8/T10/etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cleefurd Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 They are engraved numbers in every other groove that serve as reference marks when switching back and forth between optics/accessories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaCaw Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 +1 on buying one! Let us know when to place an order and final cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunedain Posted March 5, 2009 Share Posted March 5, 2009 cleefurd: Hopefully after this you'll be able to make rails for other firearms, as well. It's good to have a source for *true* Picatinny rails for a variety of combat weapons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggan Posted March 7, 2009 Author Share Posted March 7, 2009 So would it be possible to attach a 6 to 8 round shell carrier and an Eotech on the DMW rail? The difficulty with the nubs on Benneli's and Mesa's rail and their ability to hold a scope has me a little apprehensive towards making the purchase. I don't know. Read the account above about the DMW rail ... installing the rail may be the problem, not mounting an optic to it after/if you get a successful install. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundoc Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Any updates ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yallknowho Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 how's your hand cleefurd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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