OhioM4 Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 (edited) I'm thinking of getting the U.S. made FL tube from Tactical Shotgunner it might be ok for a temporary setup til Kip can get things together http://www.tacticalshotgunner.com/one-piece-replacement-tube-for-benelli-m1014-m11707-shotguns-p-196.html Hookster The tube you linked to would be my second choice. It's made of chrome moly and would probably machine very nicely. If you are going to buy one of Kip's tubes eventually why not buy one of the TacStar cheapy +2 extensions? If you have any 922® issues it's way easier to ditch the +2 extension than disassemple an FL tube. That would give you full capacity and you wouldn't take as big a financial hit when you dump it later for Kip's tube. You could dump the used TacStar on GB and probably get most of your investment back. Just a thought...there is a recession going on. Mind the pennies and the dollars watch out for themselves. Edited August 13, 2009 by OhioM4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowShooter Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 It's not the defendant's "burdon of proof" to show that something is US made; it just helps to have proof if there is a need to defend one's self from litigation. Where did I hear that before? Oh yeah, Found it.. Number 5 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=40153&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoAtrox Posted August 13, 2009 Share Posted August 13, 2009 Where did I hear that before? Oh yeah, http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=40153&hl That's a very informative letter. Thanks for posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 Hey All, Sorry about the long delay. Here are some shots of the KZ rail installed http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/hookster_photo/benellikz104.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/hookster_photo/benellikz102.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hookster Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 I think this is the area that MeanGreen was having a fit issue but mine seems to fit fine http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/hookster_photo/benellikz106.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 This shows the KZ on the left, Sidearmor in the middle and stock Benelli on the right. The KZ and SideArmor seem identical in size and shape. http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/hookster_photo/benellikz108.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanGreen Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 I think this is the area that MeanGreen was having a fit issue but mine seems to fit fine http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv262/hookster_photo/benellikz106.jpg Hookster, that is exactely where I was having the fit issue. Believe me, I used my full weight trying to get the barrel to sit flush against the receiver, but there are still about a milimeter gap. I compared the orginal forend to the KZ forend and it looked like it was about a milimeter or so longer. Looks like yours fits perfectly. Maybe there was just a variance in the one I ordered. Yours looks great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 I did hold the barrel and tapped the stock on the floor just to make sure everything was fully seated but maybe they machined yours on the day the QC manager was on vacation. Have you contacted them about the fit issue (maybe you could exchange) or tried your own fix? Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decodence Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 What is up with the left side of the grip flaring out at the muzzle end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 That's just a ladder style rail cover. I hadn't noticed it had peeled away slightly until I looked at the photo. Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decodence Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 That's just a ladder style rail cover. I hadn't noticed it had peeled away slightly until I looked at the photo. Hookster Did it reaffix easily? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 Yeah, no problem. I think I just peeled it away a liitle when I was positioning for the pics. It's made by Ergo and I'm happy with their stuff. Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanGreen Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) Hey Hookster, I already told you this in a PM, but after putting on my Surefire forend on my M4 I found out that the fit issue wasn't the KZ forend but my M4. The magazine holder bracket under barrel I think was shaped a little weird. It wasn't fully flat where it met the forend. So I ended up filing it down a bit and the Surefire forend fit fine. I knew it was my gun and not the forend because both of the KZ and Surefire forends had the same exactely size spacing issue. I took off the barrel and eye balled the bracket and saw that it looked a little warped. Maybe when they were putting on the finish or something the left a bit too much goop on. On that note, after putting on the Surefire forend I actually think I like the KZ forend more. Since the KZ forend is all metal as opposed to metal and rubber like the Surefire. Edited September 24, 2009 by MeanGreen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted September 25, 2009 Author Share Posted September 25, 2009 I'm glad your fit issue is resolved. Nothing worse than spending money on a part and then having some kind of issue. I really think the KZ is a good option for a U.S made forend. I'm just looking at the Surefire right now because it would allow me to have a U.S. made forend and keep my Sidearmor rail but if it gets too heavy with the M80 I may go back to the KZ. Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
routenull0 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Hookster, In looking at the pictures on BoTach's website for the KZ, it appears that the upper picatinny rail is required for mounting? Is this true? I use a Mesa Tactical side side that is integrated with the rail on the receiver, and I'd like to try out the KZ but I don't want to give up my side saddle. Thanks for any insight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted September 27, 2009 Author Share Posted September 27, 2009 Actually the handguard portion of the KZ is secured the same as the stock Benelli forend grips, very securely. the upper rail section would not have to be installed if you did not want to use it. You could also probably cut the KZ rail to the length of the handguard and just install a section on top of the handguard if you wanted. Just so you know, if you dont install a top rail you will have the screw holes visible on top of the handguard like the picture in post #33 of this thread. Not a big deal unless you have OCD about aesthetics. Hope that helps, Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
routenull0 Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Thanks for the info Hookster, I think I'll be ordering up a KZ setup in the near future. With that, the US follower and the Kip Ti FL tube, I should be back in 922r compliance I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 That should do it for 922r. If you want, post a couple pics on here when you get everything assembled. Later, Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider76 Posted December 23, 2009 Share Posted December 23, 2009 This is an old thread, but how does it shoot? Weight-wise, is it much heavier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted December 24, 2009 Author Share Posted December 24, 2009 Hi Slider, The weight is not bad with the KZ. a little more than the stock plastic grips of course but I was suprised by how light it is while still being very solid (all those vent holes help out). I haven't fired my M4 with the KZ in place. I just bought it to explore 922r options and I prefer the Surefire since it allows me to keep my Sidearmor rail in place. Zee or MeanGreen might have a range report for you though. Later, Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panabax Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 I just received my KZ hanguard today. It is well constructed and as small as possible for a 4 rail system. However, I have already noticed that it feels MUCH more comfortable upside down. That is, the top, without the rail installed, approximates the size of the original handguards and is quite comfortable. I am considering milling off the back 3/4th of the bottom rail, so it only has about two inches of rail up front, and going with bare aluminum. For that matter, there is no reason why you could not cut off everything above the side rails and have two side rails, a shortened bootom rail and totally open in the top. You would still have the M4 rail on the receiver and it would save a lot of weight. How much stuff would you really hang of this premier scatter gun? A light, a laser, a red dot. Plenty of room for ALL that. The only concern I have is the bear metal aluminum handguard, but I think that may not be a major concern. I guess I could always dip the bottom in plasticoat, but I thing the bare aluminum might not be a bad option. Thoughts? Panabax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted December 30, 2009 Author Share Posted December 30, 2009 I just received my KZ hanguard today. It is well constructed and as small as possible for a 4 rail system. However, I have already noticed that it feels MUCH more comfortable upside down. That is, the top, without the rail installed, approximates the size of the original handguards and is quite comfortable. I am considering milling off the back 3/4th of the bottom rail, so it only has about two inches of rail up front, and going with bare aluminum. For that matter, there is no reason why you could not cut off everything above the side rails and have two side rails, a shortened bootom rail and totally open in the top. You would still have the M4 rail on the receiver and it would save a lot of weight. How much stuff would you really hang of this premier scatter gun? A light, a laser, a red dot. Plenty of room for ALL that. The only concern I have is the bear metal aluminum handguard, but I think that may not be a major concern. I guess I could always dip the bottom in plasticoat, but I thing the bare aluminum might not be a bad option. Thoughts? Panabax Hey Panabax! I think the KZ does have a lot of potential for modification possibilities if you want to do some machine work or have it done. I was briefly considering a suggestion made by StrangerDanger to cut just above the side rails and just use the lower half of it as a grip with the Sidearmor rail on top. I probably would have tried it if the Surefire M80 was unavailable. I think it might have worked out well. If you also removed most of the bottom rail as you suggested, I think you'd end up with a very light set up without any major loss of strength/rigidity I know Zee just cut down his top rail section on his KZ so he could keep his Mesa shell carrier in place. Keep us posted on your project. I'm anxious to see what you come up with! Later, Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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