needncash Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Hello, I am a new member but have owned my M4 for a little over a year. The only modification has been the addition of the OEM +2 mag extension because I am reluctant to change anything on a firearm until it has been severly tried and tested in factory trim. 500+ rounds later I am ready to add a rail system for the addition of my VFG and Surefire M952XM07 that is currently on the AR. Anyway, I tried the FAB and Surefire rail before I became a member a few days ago. The initial fitment issues on both were enough to deter me at first but i test fired both. They both sucked, enough said. That leads me to ask other m4 owners that already own the KZ or B&T what they think. I know people complain about the price tag on the B&T but we are talking about parts for a $1600+ shotgun, like buying a Ducati and being pissed the aftermarket is expensive. What is the best quality, best fitting one of my two remaining options? I dont care about 922r, just solid battle proven equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas skeeter Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 B&T all the way!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needncash Posted January 18, 2010 Author Share Posted January 18, 2010 Thanks for the input texas skeeter. Appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panabax Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I don't have any experience with the B&T, but I am confident that it is a very high quality piece. I suspect it probably has the edge on the KZ, but the price is a lot to swallow, especially since it does not help with the potential 922r issue. That said, the KZ is very well made and sturdy. I was pleasently surprised by its construction quality. However, all of these rail forearms suffer from excessive girth. Someone described the Surefire as similar to holding a pringles can. To be sure, the KZ was the same. Ultimately, I milled about 70% of the material off my KZ forearm to create a sleek aluminum forearm, US manufactured, with short trial rails. It is every bit as comfortable as the stock handguards. I would be concerned that, after spending the money on the B&T, you are not going to be satisfied with it, compared to the factory hand guards. My $0.02. Do with it as you like. Good luck. PanaBax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texas skeeter Posted January 19, 2010 Share Posted January 19, 2010 I don't have any experience with the B&T, but I am confident that it is a very high quality piece. I suspect it probably has the edge on the KZ, but the price is a lot to swallow, especially since it does not help with the potential 922r issue. That said, the KZ is very well made and sturdy. I was pleasently surprised by its construction quality. However, all of these rail forearms suffer from excessive girth. Someone described the Surefire as similar to holding a pringles can. To be sure, the KZ was the same. Ultimately, I milled about 70% of the material off my KZ forearm to create a sleek aluminum forearm, US manufactured, with short trial rails. It is every bit as comfortable as the stock handguards. I would be concerned that, after spending the money on the B&T, you are not going to be satisfied with it, compared to the factory hand guards. My $0.02. Do with it as you like. Good luck. PanaBax come on now PANABAX, you know we all want to be different!! so i have to give it a try!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needncash Posted January 19, 2010 Author Share Posted January 19, 2010 I don't have any experience with the B&T, but I am confident that it is a very high quality piece. I suspect it probably has the edge on the KZ, but the price is a lot to swallow, especially since it does not help with the potential 922r issue. That said, the KZ is very well made and sturdy. I was pleasently surprised by its construction quality. However, all of these rail forearms suffer from excessive girth. Someone described the Surefire as similar to holding a pringles can. To be sure, the KZ was the same. Ultimately, I milled about 70% of the material off my KZ forearm to create a sleek aluminum forearm, US manufactured, with short trial rails. It is every bit as comfortable as the stock handguards. I would be concerned that, after spending the money on the B&T, you are not going to be satisfied with it, compared to the factory hand guards. My $0.02. Do with it as you like. Good luck. PanaBax Your $0.02 is appreciated, good work on your KZ. I saw the pics and it came out perfect, KZ should incorporate your design and offer a full rail and partial rail style. As far as the B&T, i am adding it mainly as a platform for a VFG because I need a strong full length lower rail for positioning possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookster Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 come on now PANABAX, you know we all want to be different!! so i have to give it a try!! Can't wait to see some pics Skeeter! I suspect I'll be going back to the factory grips after the Mesa Urbino comes out. Hookster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zee10103 Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Go with the KZ. you will not be disappointed. I have a couple scans @ my home page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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