n8ghz Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 What's the skinny on this new policy to not sell these? It's been a long road finding a Nova H2O, now they won't sell the mag extension? I thought the Clinton ban sun-setted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBuckeye Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 This was not part of the clinton ban. Maybe someone else has details on where this came from. These extensions are selling on ebay, and any extension made in the USA is still OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinPSD Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 This is unrelated to the now-sunset "assault weapon" ban. Under section 922® of the BATF code, there are limitations on the parts make-up of imported shotguns. If you search this forum, or the AR15 forum on the topic of M4/M1014 shotguns with collapsible stocks, pistol grips, and extended mags you'll see lots on this subject. In the net, due to a lack of clarity and interpretation of 922®, Benelli elected to cease all importation, marketing and sales of magazine extensions for their weapons on Nov. 2 of this year. My perhaps over-simplified (and possibly incorrect) understanding of the code section in question prohibits the import, or assembly of imported parts into a complete weapon that has any two of the following three characteristics: - collapsible stock - pistol grip - magazine capacity greater than 5 rounds I've excerpted the text from the AR15 forum for example, as it related to specific inquiries about the M4/M1014: A shotgun with a telescoping stock or a magazine greater than 5 rounds is prohibited from importation into the United States under the provisions of section 925(d)(3) of Title 18, United states code (U.S.C.). Assembly of such a shotgun from imported parts is prohibited under 18, U.S.C. Section 922®. The implementing regulations in Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 478, Section 478.39 (formerly Part 178, Section 178.39) prohibit assembly of such a shotgun that contains more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph © of the regulation. Please see the enclosed brochure for further information. Assembly of such a shotgun using 10 or less of the listed import parts is not prohibited. The shotgun is also subject to whatever State laws and local ordinances may apply. We thank you for your inquiry and trust that the foregoing has been responsive to your request. Sincerely yours, (signed) John A. Spurgeon Chief, Firearms Programs Division The brochure contains the following: © For purposes of this section, the imported parts are: 1. Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings, or stampings. 2. Barrels 3. Barrel extensions 4. mounting blocks (trunnions) 5. Muzzle attachments 6. Bolts 7. Bolt carriers 8. Operating rods 9. gas pistons 10. Trigger housings 11. triggers 12. Hammers 13. Sears 14. Disconnectors 15. Buttstocks 16. Pistol grips 17. Forearms, handguards 18. Magazine bodies 19. Followers 20. Floorplates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n8ghz Posted December 26, 2005 Author Share Posted December 26, 2005 Ok Austin, Thanks. Yes I have seen some of the ar-15 forum data concerning an M4 or M3 or whatever. The super-90's in tactical form, would probably have the pistol-grip...so that's count 1 against them. My question regards the NOVA which has 0 of the 'bad' things, no pistol-grip,bayonet-lug,folder,etc. As to assembling a gun INTO a configuration that is banned from import under that USC, using more than 10 foreign parts...I get lost. They've covered sears,disconnectors,springs,screws,bolts,washers... let alone recievers,barrels,stocks,etc. As to the NOVA, all it would possess is 5+ rounds...PLUS being an import. I would think it would be OK, but what do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n8ghz Posted December 26, 2005 Author Share Posted December 26, 2005 Revision to above post: I see in one place it says: "any 2 of the following" Then it goes on to say "OR over 5 rounds.. SO...it's AND or is it OR? Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n8ghz Posted December 26, 2005 Author Share Posted December 26, 2005 I guess it depends on "what your definition of OR is" (or as a once famous man said..."what your definition of IS is") Ha Ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinPSD Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 This, I think is what Benelli is having a problem with - it seems they've pulled the magazine extensions for all models as a response in attempting to comply with this confusing, obscure BATF policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanky Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 to the chief to my uderstanding benelli did not cease the product atf put a hold against them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanky Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Originally posted by AustinPSD: This is unrelated to the now-sunset "assault weapon" ban. Under section 922® of the BATF code, there are limitations on the parts make-up of imported shotguns. If you search this forum, or the AR15 forum on the topic of M4/M1014 shotguns with collapsible stocks, pistol grips, and extended mags you'll see lots on this subject. In the net, due to a lack of clarity and interpretation of 922®, Benelli elected to cease all importation, marketing and sales of magazine extensions for their weapons on Nov. 2 of this year. My perhaps over-simplified (and possibly incorrect) understanding of the code section in question prohibits the import, or assembly of imported parts into a complete weapon that has any two of the following three characteristics: - collapsible stock - pistol grip - magazine capacity greater than 5 rounds I've excerpted the text from the AR15 forum for example, as it related to specific inquiries about the M4/M1014: A shotgun with a telescoping stock or a magazine greater than 5 rounds is prohibited from importation into the United States under the provisions of section 925(d)(3) of Title 18, United states code (U.S.C.). Assembly of such a shotgun from imported parts is prohibited under 18, U.S.C. Section 922®. The implementing regulations in Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 478, Section 478.39 (formerly Part 178, Section 178.39) prohibit assembly of such a shotgun that contains more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph © of the regulation. Please see the enclosed brochure for further information. Assembly of such a shotgun using 10 or less of the listed import parts is not prohibited. The shotgun is also subject to whatever State laws and local ordinances may apply. We thank you for your inquiry and trust that the foregoing has been responsive to your request. Sincerely yours, (signed) John A. Spurgeon Chief, Firearms Programs Division The brochure contains the following: © For purposes of this section, the imported parts are: 1. Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings, or stampings. 2. Barrels 3. Barrel extensions 4. mounting blocks (trunnions) 5. Muzzle attachments 6. Bolts 7. Bolt carriers 8. Operating rods 9. gas pistons 10. Trigger housings 11. triggers 12. Hammers 13. Sears 14. Disconnectors 15. Buttstocks 16. Pistol grips 17. Forearms, handguards 18. Magazine bodies 19. Followers 20. Floorplates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanky Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 i have read all this but inside info inside benelli tells me different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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