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Mesa Tactical M4 Urbino Stock. It's HERE!

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how about - with the stock on - if you remove the trigger group to clean it. will the trigger group go right back on ? or do you then have to remove the stock to get it back on ?

 

And herein lies the rub. If it is a PIA to get the trigger group out without having to remove the stock (with tools) then there is a problem as far as I am concerned. Here is a reply I posted over on the Mesa forum about subject. Post number 21.

 

http://www.mesatactical.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=861

 

Now, as far as the Urbino "issues" go, one of the reasons I was majorly disappointed is that it wasn't designed along with the original intent of the weapon. That is to say, to be able to field strip/disassemble the weapon without tools. This is one of the many features that attracted me to the Benelli's (I have an M4 and a SuperNova Tactical). To me, it's a big deal. Maybe it isn't to anyone else and that is fine but it is something I consider when purchasing accessories for either weapon.

 

In addition, I assume it's a requirement for the Military so they don't have to be lugging around tools to work on their weapons. Again, that's a big deal to me and makes perfect sense from their perspective. I can't imagine that it would have been super difficult to have designed the Urbino this way but what do I know. I just wish there had been more transparency regarding this issue from the start. That's all. YMMV.

 

I won't be buying one until they make it so the stock can be removed without pulling the butt pad off, like it was intended to be in the first place.

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I just got my Urbino .......Works and looks Great...... No, A.W.E.S.O.M.E!!!!!!!!!!

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My Urbino stock with Limbsaver pad also arrived today. I too was amazed at the difference the 2" reduction makes in the handling of the M4.

 

The recoil pad is quite a bit softer than I was expecting. I'm pretty recoil proof, so I sure didn't need the Limbsaver pad, but I thought I'd give it a try. I hope it holds up well, but if it doesn't, then replacing it with the standard one is really easy.

 

My installation worked out just fine. I pulled off the standard pistol grip stock, put on the Urbino stock, and had no issues. After the Urbino was installed, I removed the trigger group and reinstalled it with no problems. It took a little extra rearward pressure to get the trigger group into position, but it was not a big deal at all. I then removed it again, and reinstalled it. I can't explain why my experience was so different from babob's.

 

Overall, I'm completely satisfied with it.

 

Grizz

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Requiring tools to remove the stock is a big fail.

 

On the plus side, the stock weighs about 5 ounces less than the factory one unless you get the model with the cheek rest. Then the weight is the same.

 

I haven't decided what I am going to do. Since I have plans to SBS mine in 2011.

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Requiring tools to remove the stock is a big fail.

 

On the plus side, the stock weighs about 5 ounces less than the factory one unless you get the model with the cheek rest. Then the weight is the same.

 

I haven't decided what I am going to do. Since I have plans to SBS mine in 2011.

 

Yep. And I can tell you from Mitch's post that it isn't an issue for them. Too bad, I won't be buying one. On the plus for you, if you SBS you won't need to worry and can just put a C-stock on.:cool:

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That's the plan. This kind of pushed me that direction. The only hang up is I have to find a new receiver extension. My 11703 doesn't have the necessary groves cut to allow it to collapse.

 

One bonus I've noticed lately is that the collapsible stocks have fallen in price.

 

I need to find some good photos of the pistol grip section to see what it will take for me to modify it to accept my light setup.

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My Urbino stock with Limbsaver pad also arrived today. I too was amazed at the difference the 2" reduction makes in the handling of the M4.

 

Pics of the Limbsaver Urbino please! Did yours come with the cheek riser?

 

And all the guys bitching about the tools required to install the stock... It's a screwdriver. Not a big deal in my opinion. What's done is done and I'm just glad that someone has come out with a shortened LOP stock for this weapon system. We should be very grateful about that. Maybe an oversight but definitely not a FAIL.

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I'll be getting an Urbino when funds allow it. Yes, it is a shame it cannot be removed without a tool; but I can deal with it. If I ever have to rough it so bad I need to carry the shotgun everywhere, I will also be roughing it so bad that I will need to be carrying a screwdriver anyway (as well as a host of other tools).

 

I'm about 10 years and 30lbs past my warfighting days. So "field stripping" has a slightly different meaning now than it did when I was in the Marines. If SHTF, I guarantee that I'll have a screw driver on me unless I have to ditch everything but the bare essentials. Screw drivers and pliers will be as essential as food. (Make sure they're in your "survival kit".)

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how about - with the stock on - if you remove the trigger group to clean it. will the trigger group go right back on ? or do you then have to remove the stock to get it back on ?

 

Austin or Chuck can you comment ?

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Since I don't use optics on my M4, I didn't get the cheek riser.

 

I just removed the rubber hand grip wrap and the rubber grip and stub on the stock is designed very much like that of the Benelli unit.

 

Grizz

Edited by Grizzman

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I can remove the trigger group without taking the stock off, considering I just did it. And it went back in easier than when the stock was initially installed.

 

As mentioned earlier, install trigger group and then install the stock, initially. Leave it there overnight. Come back the next day, and assemble/disassemble the trigger group with the stock installed all you want. :)

 

Other than that, a flat blade screwdriver wouldn't have been that big of a deal. I applaud the new stock being available whether some people like it or not. Haven't shot mine yet, but it certainly fits me better and is more comfortable from dry practice than the original and at a fraction of the cost of the Benelli CS.

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I can remove the trigger group without taking the stock off, considering I just did it. And it went back in easier than when the stock was initially installed.

 

As mentioned earlier, install trigger group and then install the stock, initially. Leave it there overnight. Come back the next day, and assemble/disassemble the trigger group with the stock installed all you want. :)

 

Other than that, a flat blade screwdriver wouldn't have been that big of a deal. I applaud the new stock being available whether some people like it or not. Haven't shot mine yet, but it certainly fits me better and is more comfortable from dry practice than the original and at a fraction of the cost of the Benelli CS.

 

thanks - ordered mine today!

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I just received my Urbino stock and the installation took all of 5 minutes (couldn't find the screwdriver!).

 

I use a T1 with mine, and this is the first day in a long time I have a proper cheek weld. There is a small gap between the back of the trigger guard and the grip. The standard stock does not have any gap. The grip feels smaller in the hand, but I don't see this affecting the feel of the shotgun, just something to get use to. Someone reported earlier that the Limbsaver was loose on their shotgun, on mine, it's very tight and doesn't move at all.

 

Feel free to ask any questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them.

 

BM4.jpg

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Is the cheek riser adjustable? Does its edge cut into your cheek any? It looks like it would. If I order the cheek riser model and then later decide that I don't like it, will I be left with the same stock as a non-cheek riser model when I remove it? Thanks.

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The stock with the cheek riser has rail on both sides that remains once the riser is removed. Part Number 90040 (Black).

 

Mine is iron sights only so I ordered the standard, non rail, stock Part Number 90030 (Black). Perfect cheek position for me thru the ghost ring.

 

Coyote is $10 extra.

 

-- Chuck

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Is the cheek riser adjustable? Does its edge cut into your cheek any? It looks like it would. If I order the cheek riser model and then later decide that I don't like it, will I be left with the same stock as a non-cheek riser model when I remove it? Thanks.

 

It's removable and has several positions, but you have to take off the Limbsaver in order to adjust it. My guess it is the same type of stock as a non-cheek riser.

 

It does not cut into my skin, it's comfortable.

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My Urbino stock with Limbsaver pad also arrived today. I too was amazed at the difference the 2" reduction makes in the handling of the M4.

 

The recoil pad is quite a bit softer than I was expecting. I'm pretty recoil proof, so I sure didn't need the Limbsaver pad, but I thought I'd give it a try. I hope it holds up well, but if it doesn't, then replacing it with the standard one is really easy.

 

My installation worked out just fine. I pulled off the standard pistol grip stock, put on the Urbino stock, and had no issues. After the Urbino was installed, I removed the trigger group and reinstalled it with no problems. It took a little extra rearward pressure to get the trigger group into position, but it was not a big deal at all. I then removed it again, and reinstalled it. I can't explain why my experience was so different from babob's.

 

Overall, I'm completely satisfied with it.

 

Grizz

 

I assume that you had to remove the trigger group to be able to then remove the stock?

 

The problem I had was that I installed the Urbino stock with the trigger group out. Then I tried to re-install the trigger group and it would not fit. Mitch from Mesa Tact. then replied to install the trigger group first and then install the Urbino...which worked.

 

I left the gun alone (other than taking pics for you guys) for about a day and then tried to remove the trigger group and re-install it without removing the stock.....and it worked just as another poster said...with a little rearward pressure...the receiver pin aligned just fine.

 

I plan to check removing the trigger group and re-installing again without removing the stock, but I'm sure it will be fine. Then hopefully...I'll get to go shoot it! :D

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I just received my Urbino stock and the installation took all of 5 minutes (couldn't find the screwdriver!).

 

I use a T1 with mine, and this is the first day in a long time I have a proper cheek weld. There is a small gap between the back of the trigger guard and the grip. The standard stock does not have any gap. The grip feels smaller in the hand, but I don't see this affecting the feel of the shotgun, just something to get use to. Someone reported earlier that the Limbsaver was loose on their shotgun, on mine, it's very tight and doesn't move at all.

 

Feel free to ask any questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them.

 

BM4.jpg

 

Funny, Mitch was bitching bout that "pointy cheek piece" on the OEM C-stock but to look at this abomination, I don't see how it's any better. :rolleyes: Here's what he has to say about the OEM C-stock. This is from someone who designed the Urbino off of a 5 year old M4 and didn't even know that Benelli ships every 11707 with a 3 position recoil tube.

 

http://www.mesatactical.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=847

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Funny, Mitch was bitching bout that "pointy cheek piece" on the OEM C-stock but to look at this abomination, I don't see how it's any better. :rolleyes: Here's what he has to say about the OEM C-stock. This is from someone who designed the Urbino off of a 5 year old M4 and didn't even know that Benelli ships every 11707 with a 3 position recoil tube.

 

http://www.mesatactical.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=847

 

Abomination? What's so bad about it?

 

It's simple to remove the Limbsaver, takes a second and then you can adjust the cheek riser. I really can't see a reason why it would need to be removed at all, unless the T1 were to fail, but then it is still useable with the cheek riser installed.

 

The cheek riser is very solid.

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I'm glad I cancelled my order.:)

 

Care to explain in detail?

 

If I'm missing something, I'd like to know so I can return the stock.

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Funny, Mitch was bitching bout that "pointy cheek piece" on the OEM C-stock but to look at this abomination, I don't see how it's any better. :rolleyes: Here's what he has to say about the OEM C-stock. This is from someone who designed the Urbino off of a 5 year old M4 and didn't even know that Benelli ships every 11707 with a 3 position recoil tube.

 

http://www.mesatactical.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=847

 

The "pointy cheek piece" on the OEM C-stock is a problem because it is short. Many servicemen--Marines, in particular--get up pretty close on the rear sight when aiming in, putting the point of the cheek piece at their jaw line. This is where the OEM C-stock creates problems.

 

The Urbino "abomination" has a longer cheek piece that will more comfortably support a person who chooses to place his or her head further up on the stock to get closer to the rear sight.

 

It might not be pretty, but it's effective. And if we all cared about good looks, wouldn't we be giving M1014 a little more love for his gratuitous and frequently-posted Benelli porn?

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Abomination? What's so bad about it?

 

 

It was more meant as a Jab regarding what Mitch from Mesa said about the OEM c-stock. He had complained that the "pointy cheekpeice" on the c-stock was a major source of discomfort due to the forward part of it. Now, looking at the way they designed the cheek riser, it seems like he's put out something that directly contradicts his complaint about the c-stock. To me, it looks like that riser hanging there could be problematic in terms of hanging up on something if you aren't careful. YMMV.

 

Read about his comment here.

 

http://www.mesatactical.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=847

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The "pointy cheek piece" on the OEM C-stock is a problem because it is short. Many servicemen--Marines, in particular--get up pretty close on the rear sight when aiming in, putting the point of the cheek piece at their jaw line. This is where the OEM C-stock creates problems.

 

 

Where do you get this information?

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