Diabolus Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 I've read several times on here how difficult it is to install one of these. I'm going to give it a shot, but first, can someone who has successfully installed one without damaging anything on their shotgun please tell me exactly what tools I need to purchase? Thanks!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Fab Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 (edited) You really need a 3/32" roll pin punch to start. I would also put the gun upside down and put a drop of CLP in there, leave it overnight, and proceed to remove it. Then, you'll need some sort of slave pin to hold everything together while you drive the pin back in. A 3/32" drill bit works great. This is way easier than you think and I really had no issues installing mine. PM me your number if you want and I'd be happy to give you a buzz and walk you through it. Edited January 1, 2011 by KB Fab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Look to see where the spring is before you disassemble the unit. Note the depth of the roll pin. If it isn't seated fully, it will interfere with the bolt carrier. Kb fab covered the tool requirements. It's easy with the right tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscm Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 You really need a 3/32" roll pin punch to start. I would also put the gun upside down and put a drop of CLP in there, leave it overnight, and proceed to remove it. Then, you'll need some sort of slave pin to hold everything together while you drive the pin back in. A 3/32" drill bit works great. This is way easier than you think and I really had no issues installing mine. Wish I had these directions when I did mine. It was probably the hardest part on the gun I've installed so far, and it was all down to the roll pin being a PITA to get out of the gun and the new one back in. Look to see where the spring is before you disassemble the unit. Note the depth of the roll pin. If it isn't seated fully, it will interfere with the bolt carrier. Kb fab covered the tool requirements. It's easy with the right tools. It wasn't until I had the roll pin fully seated that the bolt release stopped interfering with the bolt carrier. My problem was that I initially had such a hard time getting the new roll pin back into the receiver that it wasn't in all the way and that allowed the bolt release plate inside the receiver to angle inwards slightly and catch on the bolt carrier as it cycled during testing. A 3/32" drill bit would definitely have helped keep the parts aligned and the pin go back in easier. Wish I had thought of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Maybe you needed Tex' Tactical Corncob Holder© to do the job proper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezarf Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Not trying to rain on your parade, but Nordic Components does the same thing for $12 bucks. Its a drill and tap though... not hard, but not for a novice either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscm Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Not trying to rain on your parade, but Nordic Components does the same thing for $12 bucks. Its a drill and tap though... not hard, but not for a novice either. I'd buy the Arredondo Bolt Release before I'd buy the Nordic Components one. The Arredondo has a lot more surface area to contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rezarf Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 I'd buy the Arredondo Bolt Release before I'd buy the Nordic Components one. The Arredondo has a lot more surface area to contact. Thanks, I hadn't seen that one. I may make a slab of Carbon Fiber to mimick the GG$G one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raden Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 I wish someone would do a step by step photo tutorial on how to install these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalKoala Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Thanks, I hadn't seen that one. I may make a slab of Carbon Fiber to mimick the GG$G one Improve your carbon hand print..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Fab Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 IIRC, the Nordic Components button is a simple round part that requires "you" to drill and tap your carrier latch. Not a super technical thing but it would be tricky for the average hobbyist. The only problem I see with this one is the potential for the button to loosen and spin. You could mitigate that some with loctite but the whole design doesn't leave me feeling too confident. The Arredondo bolt release I am less familiar with but I personally did not like the long skinny shape and the fact that it was a plastic part. Simply my opinion, nothing else. The GG&G bolt release is what I consider to be a well designed and executed part. Yes it is expensive but IMHO you get what you pay for. First, they modify a stock carrier latch and do it in such a way that the pad is fully secure on the post and will not spin. There are a couple of notches machined into the post that correspond with the pocket on the pad and they match up superbly. I also really like the shape and texture. It makes for a very positive feel when employing. I also enjoyed learning a little about my weapon with the install. Sure it is somewhat tricky getting everything lined back up but it really isn't that difficult. I went back and forth for some time before I decided to go ahead and shell out for the GG&G. To me, it's money well spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscm Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 Agreed. There are two things that the OEM M4 could definitely improve upon right out of the box (922r compliance aside) ... One is a shorter stock, and the other is a larger bolt release pad. Though extremely expensive, the GG&G version is absolutely worth it. Considering this was designed as a combat shotgun, a larger release like the GG&G should have been OEM from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L84Cabo Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Agreed. There are two things that the OEM M4 could definitely improve upon right out of the box (922r compliance aside) ... One is a shorter stock, and the other is a larger bolt release pad. Though extremely expensive, the GG&G version is absolutely worth it. Considering this was designed as a combat shotgun, a larger release like the GG&G should have been OEM from the start. The LOP of the factory stock is PERFECT for those of us that are 6' 4" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L84Cabo Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 IIRC, the Nordic Components button is a simple round part that requires "you" to drill and tap your carrier latch. Not a super technical thing but it would be tricky for the average hobbyist. The only problem I see with this one is the potential for the button to loosen and spin. You could mitigate that some with loctite but the whole design doesn't leave me feeling too confident. The Arredondo bolt release I am less familiar with but I personally did not like the long skinny shape and the fact that it was a plastic part. Simply my opinion, nothing else. The GG&G bolt release is what I consider to be a well designed and executed part. Yes it is expensive but IMHO you get what you pay for. First, they modify a stock carrier latch and do it in such a way that the pad is fully secure on the post and will not spin. There are a couple of notches machined into the post that correspond with the pocket on the pad and they match up superbly. I also really like the shape and texture. It makes for a very positive feel when employing. I also enjoyed learning a little about my weapon with the install. Sure it is somewhat tricky getting everything lined back up but it really isn't that difficult. I went back and forth for some time before I decided to go ahead and shell out for the GG&G. To me, it's money well spent. Will the GG&G scratch the finish on the receiver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Fab Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Will the GG&G scratch the finish on the receiver? I don't think so. However, I took one of those little adhesive backed felt pads that you can get at any hardware store and just put it on the back side of the new button just to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscm Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 The LOP of the factory stock is PERFECT for those of us that are 6' 4" Relatively speaking ... the shorter stocks are better for me. They're also good for shooters that wear plates. Will the GG&G scratch the finish on the receiver? It's marking mine. Hard to tell if it's actually scratching it or if whatever is there will just wipe off from the M4 anodizing like most stuff does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 Yes. Mine has left contact marks. Look along the front edge. About 9,000 rounds on it when this picture was taken. Some alumablack would cover it if I cared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscm Posted January 2, 2011 Share Posted January 2, 2011 It's crazy how well AlumaBlack works. I had a small scratch on my receiver when I was trying to get the bolt catch lever pin in and out just to install the GG&G bolt release pad. Initially tried to fix it with superBlack but you could easily spot it on the super smooth receiver. Finally found my bottle of AlumaBlack (covered in dust!), and a few quick minutes later the scratch was gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger 1/75 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Who makes that beautiful charging handle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crofton Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Who makes that beautiful charging handle? GG&G Following are links to a few places that are selling the release: http://www.opticsplanet.com/reviews/write-review-gg-g-benelli-tactical-bolt-release-button.html http://www.botachtactical.com/gg10betabore.html http://www.gmstactical.com/ggbetaborepa.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bello Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 its kips i belive (http://www.carriercomp.com) he just had it duracoated or cheracote black. but thats just my guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 That one is a Design Concepts titanium bolt handle. The company is out of business now. Carriercomp's better anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saym14 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I have noticed the GGG bolt release pad is starting to leave a small mark on the receiver. its such a huge improvment over stock tho it doesnt bother me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saym14 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 just took the dremel to it and chamfered the forward edge, should minimize any contact. stil one of the best mods I've done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven765 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I'd heard about the GG&G slicing up your knuckle as you pull the bolt back. Any comment on the ergonomics of it, how well does it function and not chew up your hand. Mind you this was only one comment. So I'd like to get others opinions. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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