dprichard Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/012611-study-on-importality-of-certain-shotguns.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpengeist Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 why cant the government just make things easier/shorter to read and just cut to the point and back away from our guns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucker301 Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 It and all other gun regulatory legislation is unconstitutional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpengeist Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 and isnt the purpose of the 2nd amendment to defend ourselves against the government if it becomes overpowering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fett Tracking Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 disband batfe now -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I read through it. It reiterates how imported weapons can be brought in. It establishes features that detract from sporting purposes. It outlines how 3 gun and combat shooting competition isn't a sporting purpose in their eyes. Example, a Benelli could never be imported with the collapsible stock that functions or a mag tube that accepts more than 5 rounds. It also indicates that any weapon with side or bottom mounted picatinny rails are NOGO. There are some suspect rulings such as receiver widths. My guess is they're trying to ban a specific set or shotguns that might otherwise be adapted to comply. Bottom line is, comply with the 922 laws and you can do as you please assuming you don't live in a commie state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 and isnt the purpose of the 2nd amendment to defend ourselves against the government if it becomes overpowering? No. It says you have the right to hang a pair of bear arms on your wall. Such a right shall not be infringed upon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P. Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Seems like Saigas are the biggest target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dprichard Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 No. It says you have the right to hang a pair of bear arms on your wall. Such a right shall not be infringed upon. Lol dude bout fell out of my chair... Too funny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpengeist Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Seems like Saigas are the biggest target. ive noticed that too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dprichard Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 Yeah this was actually posted in another forum saying the government was trying to ban saigas. Some of the stuff seemed kind of applicable to the M4 which is why I wanted to get some opinions. Like more than 5 rounds and the language about tactical vs sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGuns Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 There they go again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGuns Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Trying to regulate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGuns Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Government never makes things easier, status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven765 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 IMHO speaking as someone who works for two branches of govt: 1 - I believe the president promised to root out agencies which are wasteful in the state of the union address. Clearly the ATF is trying to replicate court's job and make/interpret laws. They should summarily be shut down as a duplicate effort. Redirect their funds to drug rehabilitation for a greater effect and close some prisons with the additional cost savings. 2 - Given long guns were .85% of all firearms fatalities in 2009. Why are they wasting time on long guns? How are there not more important issues, e.g go figure out how IDE's are still getting into Afghanistan? How is this not fraud, waste and abuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dntama Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Looks like the ATF is getting ready to ban some styles of shotguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhoi_fan Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Considering they regulated the semi-auto Daewoo USAS 12 and the drums for it into DDs I'm surprised they've waited this long to make a move on the Saiga, or even allowed it be imported in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCKETW19 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 You guys are a bit late on this and No Saigas are not getting banned. I didnt read the link but its the same FUD as other sites probably. They took some new shotgun pistol at the SHOT show and are after the old style trench shotgun with bayonet. That stupid Saiga rummor cause a big price increase on them for no reason at all. Just a stupid internet rumor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tasum Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 At least in the US you have the right to bear's arms, we can't even have those here in the UK. We don't even have bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlton Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 At least in the US you have the right to bear's arms, we can't even have those here in the UK. We don't even have bears. in some states Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAR_ICE Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 Wonder how many tax dollars went into that study? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucker301 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I sent them an e-mail comment. This is what it said. A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dprichard Posted January 28, 2011 Author Share Posted January 28, 2011 Wonder how many tax dollars went into that study? Wonder how many tax dollars were wasted on that study? All of em. I have to say, I really am not anti government and I think it has it's place (Gun control not being part of that). My biggest beef with this report is the utter ignorance and bias shown throughout. You can tell the people involved think that gun owners are stupid. I mean, seriously. If you can add a flashlight to a shotgun it should be LEO or military only? So if someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night and I grab my shotgun I shouldn't be able to shine a light at the bad guy before blasting willy nilly with my shotty in a house with a wife and kids? You also have more potential of scaring away an intruder just walking around in your house with a shotty with a flashlight versus walking around with a baseball bat flipping lights on. As far as mounting optics, I don't even need to go into why being able to aim my weapon more efficiently is important. It just doesn't make any sense. I think these things make owning a shotgun and protecting yourself and your family in your home easier and safer. Maybe they just put out reports like this to seem like they are doing something to justify their jobs. Who knows, but my 8th grader could have made better, more reasonable arguments than the arguments in this report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeoAtrox Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 How are "telescoping, or collapsible stocks" not particularly suited for sporting purposes? Adjustable length of pull is absolutely suited for sporting purposes in shotguns given that top-level competitors have stocks custom fitted to their bodies. The less wealthy of us would prefer to have adjustable length of pull because we cannot afford to purchase custom-fitted stocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven765 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 How are "telescoping, or collapsible stocks" not particularly suited for sporting purposes? Adjustable length of pull is absolutely suited for sporting purposes in shotguns given that top-level competitors have stocks custom fitted to their bodies. The less wealthy of us would prefer to have adjustable length of pull because we cannot afford to purchase custom-fitted stocks. Agreed, having the same gun with a collapsing stock so both me (6'1") and my girlfriend (5'4") can comfortably use it. Should only be a right for the ultra rich.. I think that was reasoned by the typical educated elite who's never shot a weapon. So instead we have to buy two weapons. (oops I guess that shot that theory about reducing guns, pun intended) Not to mention that the overall length still has to be 26 inches!!! It doesn't make it more or less concealable or lethal than current federal limits outside of a registered SBS (so how is this not passing a law through additional regulation?) Further I know a few hunters that for the walk in appreciate the ability to loose 6 inches off their back. (they could probably stand to loose 6 inches off their stomach too but that's a different story ) Poking holes in the not sporting bit. This is really up there with the media industry trying to ban every new product that comes down the line because it scares them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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