HopetonBrown Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Are the rules different for pump guns than semi's, or did they change? When I was stationed in CA from 07-09, I bought a brand new FN TPS with a C-Stock and Pistol Grip at some gun store called Traders or something. I highly doubt that a store of that size would have been selling illegal firearms NIB. Law applies to semi-autos. The TPS is a pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMT Guy Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Any updates from the guys who've received and installed the ProMag stocks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggin Posted December 25, 2012 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Received my new stock and attached it last night. It's quality and feels solid. I'm happy with it. Though, I can't compare it to the OEM C-stock, never seen one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggedx Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Got one from the wife all wrapped up in shiny Christmas paper. The forend pieces were a bit difficult to get on and I don't think I'll keep them, but they do feel solid. Take a look: [ATTACH=CONFIG]1845[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1846[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1847[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1848[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1849[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Got one from the wife all wrapped up in shiny Christmas paper. The forend pieces were a bit difficult to get on and I don't think I'll keep them, but they do feel solid. Take a look: [ATTACH=CONFIG]1845[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1846[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1847[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1848[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1849[/ATTACH] Jagged My Pro Mag forearm went on real hard as well, It was real wide and I could not here my pistons moving when it was installed. So I sent mine to Sharkey, as he was real interested in it. I do like my C stock form pro mag though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARMT Guy Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Got one from the wife all wrapped up in shiny Christmas paper. The forend pieces were a bit difficult to get on and I don't think I'll keep them, but they do feel solid. Take a look: [ATTACH=CONFIG]1845[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1846[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1847[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1848[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1849[/ATTACH] Looks good! I can't wait to read about the range reports. Do the stock and pistol grip components feel pretty solid to you? Like many others, I am quite leery of anything made by ProMag. Hopefully these prove to be as reliable and durable as the shotgun itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaggedx Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 The pistol grip feels much like the original on the standard stock. The C-Stock itself has a small amount of play (maybe 1/8") side to side wiggle, but it's my understanding that the Benelli C-Stock does as well. I can live with it. My only gripe would be the color of it. You can see in the pictures that it's somewhere between glossy/satin black. I'd like to see it colored more like the rest of the gun. Maybe I'll cerakote it down the road... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted December 26, 2012 Share Posted December 26, 2012 Jagged My Pro Mag forearm went on real hard as well, It was real wide and I could not here my pistons moving when it was installed. So I sent mine to Sharkey, as he was real interested in it. I do like my C stock form pro mag though. It's killing me too. Just checked the mail and it's STILL not here. I'm hoping it didn't get lost somewhere in the damn christmas rush.. Woooooff.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Fab Posted December 27, 2012 Share Posted December 27, 2012 Wow that color doesn't look good at all......at least in the pics. Almost looks like powder coat or something like it. If memory serves, the OEM version is hard coat anodized. At least it's an option though and I'm glad it's available......for now anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) Package received and all I found as "trouble" with it was giving it a solid pinch at the bottom to get it to seat. I removed the near side rail anyway because I don't need it. I left the ejection side rail exactly where the factory placed it (with a little locktight of course), installed my light (placing the pressure pad on the "pistol grip" under my finger tips) installed the rail covers and this thing is styling. I even have a quick detach, 2 position foregrip I've been playing with and it folds up and makes a nice standard shooting grip/platform that is just a bit lower than holding the forend itself and then snaps out nicely for hip firing. I kind of like it but I'll know better after a trip to the range which parts will be permanent and which won't. Gonna be a couple of weeks before I can shoot it but this product was definitely a plus for me. And God knows the price was, well, RIGHT to say the least. Great deal Zeke and thank you Sir. Sharkey Edited December 29, 2012 by Sharkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 28, 2012 Share Posted December 28, 2012 Package received and all I found as "trouble" with it was giving it a solid pinch at the bottom to get it to seat. I removed the near side rail anyway because I don't need it. I left the exection side rail exactly where the factory placed it (with a little locktight of course), installed my light (placing the pressure pad on the "pistol grip" under my finger tips) installed the rail covers and this thing is styling. I even have a quick detach, 2 position foregrip I've been playing with and it folds up and makes a nice standard shooting grip/platform that is just a bit lower than holding the forend itself and then snaps out nicely for hip firing. I kind of like it but I'll know better after a trip to the range which parts will be permanent and which won't. Gonna be a couple of weeks before I can shoot it but this product was definitely a plus for me. And God knows the price was, well, RIGHT to say the least. Great deal Zeke and thank you Sir. Sharkey Awesome... I was begining to think it got lost in the x-mas shuffle! Good to see you like it, as it would of been a dust collector in my house. I was hoping you would throw in some pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted December 29, 2012 Share Posted December 29, 2012 Gimme a few days buddy. Not big on posting pics of my stuff online but I'll try and take a couple of "sectionals" so you can see it. Sharkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypergunner Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I took delivery yesterday and installed the stock. Pretty nice and seems solid, well know after a few hundred shot. Now the fore grip was VERY difficult to get on. I used a dremmel in an attempt to correct the oversize molding. I could not get the grip to fit to where I would trust it. Basically it seemed to interfere with the gas system and I was not going to compromise the gun. The top fit overmthe barrel was horrible and you can see the gass system. After playing with it for an hour, the screws to the rails became loose, which is really not comforting, especially with the gas system working. I am calling promag after the holidays and see if they had addressed the molding issue. Guys, the foregrip just are not ready for prime time. The way I look at it, the stock alone is worth the cost but it would be nice to have a foregrip as well. NOW, the problem and question I have for you all. NONE of this stuff from promag is stamped "Made in USA" that I could find! Do the USA added parts must be stamped made in the USA? Also, the stock foregrip that came with the gun has left and rig written in ENGLISH but does not say made in Italy. So is it that these foregrips on the gun ALREADY US made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeke Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I took delivery yesterday and installed the stock. Pretty nice and seems solid, well know after a few hundred shot. Now the fore grip was VERY difficult to get on. I used a dremmel in an attempt to correct the oversize molding. I could not get the grip to fit to where I would trust it. Basically it seemed to interfere with the gas system and I was not going to compromise the gun. The top fit overmthe barrel was horrible and you can see the gass system. After playing with it for an hour, the screws to the rails became loose, which is really not comforting, especially with the gas system working. I am calling promag after the holidays and see if they had addressed the molding issue. Guys, the foregrip just are not ready for prime time. The way I look at it, the stock alone is worth the cost but it would be nice to have a foregrip as well. NOW, the problem and question I have for you all. NONE of this stuff from promag is stamped "Made in USA" that I could find! Do the USA added parts must be stamped made in the USA? Also, the stock foregrip that came with the gun has left and rig written in ENGLISH but does not say made in Italy. So is it that these foregrips on the gun ALREADY US made? Hypergunner This is a responce from Pro Mag sent by "Crofton" back on 12/5/2012. In this e-mail he is questioning the C-Stock as being 922r complient, here is their responce. Received following from Pro Com tech support, don't know if I would take it to the bank. From: Tech Support Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08 PM To: Crofton Subject: Re: PM253 Benelli M4 Collapsible Stock & Tactical Forend Hey Crofton, Sorry it has taken so long to get to your email. The stock is primarily made in the U.S.A. Some of the small components like the hardware and screws could be made overseas as well as raw components. As far as the BATF, there is no resitrictions on any parts having to say "Made in the USA", only a restriction that requires them to be made in the USA. Since our name is on the stock and we advertise it as a 922 compliant part there shouldn't be any issues. Thanks On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Crofton > wrote: Good morning Very interested in purchasing the C-Stock, I have the following questions: 1. Why isn’t it stamped USA made? 2. Quote from box “May be Assembled from Domestic and Imported components”, how is this 922.R Compliant? 3. If BATF pay me a visit at the range, what proof do I have the C-Stock is USA made? Thank you, Technical Support Promag Industries 10654 S. Garfield Ave. South Gate, CA 90280 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypergunner Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Hypergunner This is a responce from Pro Mag sent by "Crofton" back on 12/5/2012. In this e-mail he is questioning the C-Stock as being 922r complient, here is their responce. Received following from Pro Com tech support, don't know if I would take it to the bank. From: Tech Support Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 12:08 PM To: Crofton Subject: Re: PM253 Benelli M4 Collapsible Stock & Tactical Forend Hey Crofton, Sorry it has taken so long to get to your email. The stock is primarily made in the U.S.A. Some of the small components like the hardware and screws could be made overseas as well as raw components. As far as the BATF, there is no resitrictions on any parts having to say "Made in the USA", only a restriction that requires them to be made in the USA. Since our name is on the stock and we advertise it as a 922 compliant part there shouldn't be any issues. Thanks On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Crofton > wrote: Good morning Very interested in purchasing the C-Stock, I have the following questions: 1. Why isn’t it stamped USA made? 2. Quote from box “May be Assembled from Domestic and Imported components”, how is this 922.R Compliant? 3. If BATF pay me a visit at the range, what proof do I have the C-Stock is USA made? Thank you, Technical Support Promag Industries 10654 S. Garfield Ave. South Gate, CA 90280 Thank you so much for your reply. Question: If I choose not to install handguard and ONLY US made stock, Carreiergroup tube and follower, will I be compliant? Could you explain to me what parts can be changed and why is it 3 or 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypergunner Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Hi Sharkey, why would one need a bipod on a shotgun? Also, is your M4 a newer model or older? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) I took the red dot off for a couple of days cuz I'm gonna use the 4x to do some 100 yard stuff with it and see how my truball slugs group but this is pretty much it for the moment. The raised rings I use DO allow me to also use the iron sights so it's an ok set up for the moment. When I switch back to the red dot, that also has a see through mount so I can use the iron site for that as well so the scope really doesn't matter much right now. I also wanna see if this cheapo 4x can handle the recoil and still hold together just for the halibut... I love the forend though and CAN hear my pistons that DO rattle just like they would with the stock hand guards. [ATTACH=CONFIG]1862[/ATTACH] Edited January 2, 2013 by Sharkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Fab Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I took the red dot off for a couple of days cuz I'm gonna use the 4x to do some 100 yard stuff with it and see how my truball slugs group but this is pretty much it for the moment. The raised rings I use DO allow me to also use the iron sights so it's an ok set up for the moment. When I switch back to the red dot, that also has a see through mount so I can use the iron site for that as well so the scope really doesn't matter much right now. I also wanna see if this cheapo 4x can handle the recoil and still hold together just for the halibut... I love the forend though and CAN hear my pistons that DO rattle just like they would with the stock hand guards. [ATTACH=CONFIG]1861[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1862[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]1863[/ATTACH] What single point sling mount are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Coitac. Not really crazy about it but it does the trick and the price was right. It gets tough trying to beat my wife to the bank account round xmas time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Fab Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Coitac. Not really crazy about it but it does the trick and the price was right. It gets tough trying to beat my wife to the bank account round xmas time... But which mount? It looks like you have something mounted just behind the pistol grip to attach the sling to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkey Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 That's the KZ. It's got ears on both sides. I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhoi_fan Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 That's the KZ. It's got ears on both sides. I like it. And unfortunately it won't work with the c-stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Fab Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Oh well......thanks for the info. I really wish there was a better option for the c-stock. In the Magpul video, they show a quick glimpse of something they are using on their c-stock equipped M4 but all my efforts to locate what it is have been unsuccessful thus far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTrooper Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Oh well......thanks for the info. I really wish there was a better option for the c-stock. In the Magpul video, they show a quick glimpse of something they are using on their c-stock equipped M4 but all my efforts to locate what it is have been unsuccessful thus far. Is it this one from Mesa Tactical? They have several versions. http://www.mesatactical.com/index.php?id=60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhoi_fan Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Is it this one from Mesa Tactical? They have several versions. http://www.mesatactical.com/index.php?id=60 Yeah, Mesa Tactical fails to inform ya that there's a EFFING ROLL PIN THAT YOU HAVE TO DRILL OUT* in that location to install that attachment point. Ask me how I know. *or driven out HAD I KNOW OR BEEN INFORMED that there's a EFFING ROLL PIN there Edited January 3, 2013 by Sukhoi_fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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