bhunted Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 It's welded they say... I'd really like to see something like GG&G makes... If they can make something like this: http://www.gggaz.com/benelli-m4-single-point-sling-attachment-looped.html Why can't they do something with a half inch hole? I do have an idea for an ampi point on the stock but I'd have to draw it to make my point. I'll see what I can come up with when I get to my desk in the morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hmac Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) Here's the Noveske on mine, on the right side of the stock. Very secure. The other end of the sling plugs into a Noveske QD socket made to attach to the Nordic barrel clamp (Nordic makes one too). My slings (VCAS) all have sewn-in QD swivels. Edited November 25, 2013 by Hmac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelliwerkes Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 (edited) ......what I understand you cannot remove the rear sling mount from the M4 field stock. Please correct me if I'm wrong... What I've read from many web searches, for some reason, that plate is welded in the M4... ... The plate is not welded; the plate has a center bolt (8M x 1.0) that is threaded on both ends that holds all the parts together ! Look down the receiver end of the field stock with a LED light and you will see the other end. If they had the Benelli M4 Anatomy Series Manual they would know that it's not welded. The schematic shows all the parts. Edited November 25, 2013 by benelliwerkes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 benelliwerkes, Any way to get the sling plate out without destroying the stock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhunted Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 Exactly, SD.... Nobody seems to have an answer for this no matter where I look. Bene... I'm very familiar with that diagram... Can it come out and why can't we use the Noveske sling plate? Noveske also says no and says removing the plate requires a gunsmith... [h=1]Benelli QD Sling Plate[/h] [h=2]$29.95[/h] QD sling mount plate for the Benelli M1 Super90 -Steel QD Mount -4 Position, rotation limited -Parkerized Finish -Uses standard QD Swivel (Not included) Weight: 1oz. Replaces the swivel plate in the M1S90 stock. The stock must be removed for installation. The Benelli M4 uses the same plate but it is not designed to be removed from the stock. It is very difficult to remove and should only be done so by a qualified armor/gunsmith.X benelliwerkes, Any way to get the sling plate out without destroying the stock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVATactical.com Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Can you get a replacement 280J and drill out the other? Not fun I suppose. I'd love to see a solution available for all M4s for a rear QD, something universal. I am not sure how well it would turn out or be received. The only way I could think to do this was a replacement top rail or sight base which goes down the side of the receiver, much like a mesa/sidearmor side saddle, but places a QD in an agreeable position instead. I don't know how it would turn out aesthetically or how popular that would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhunted Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 This is what GG&G has for the M4... how much more effort would it take to create one with a 1/2 hole??? I don't get it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVATactical.com Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 If that plate could be made to work with C-stocks I would be 100% in. GG&G says no go with C-Stocks I believe. I am guessing because of the way the grip core screws on, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhunted Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 But at least you have options with collapsible stocks. Us stuck with no options other than field stocks are screwed. I think this type could be made just as easy as SD modified his old BLAM mount. Just not enough meat to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVATactical.com Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I would guess the GG&G current setup is stamped. You could make one stamped then folded with 1/2in holes, but I think the clean way to go there is machine the QDs into it. More expensive though. Sorry I missed, but I think there were some concerns about the strength of the plastic for flush mounting a QD? Or is it not possible? I mounted a flush QD in three firearms so far, no problem. PS90, Steyr Aug and an not to be named bullpup. No issues. I am a big fan of the flush clean look they afford. One could layer epoxy, fiberglass, carbon fiber before putting the QD in place to add strength. Or even a custom washer metal material epoxied in place. Not knowing how strong the plastics are on the M4 stock I can't say if it is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhunted Posted November 25, 2013 Author Share Posted November 25, 2013 What I meant was something manufactured, (drop in), that the end user didn't have to custom install... I've been thinking it over and I like the look of the Noveske over the IWC... Even tough they are more expensive, prob go that route next week sometime. Slap one on both sides. Don't really need the set points. Will slobber some JB Weld once in.... Unless I wake up 3AM with another one of my rocket science ideas, there's no sense over thinking this. Just surprised nobody invented something yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelliwerkes Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) benelliwerkes, Any way to get the sling plate out without destroying the stock? SD......you're killin' me. These are the parts. Edited January 12, 2014 by benelliwerkes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelliwerkes Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) benelliwerkes, Any way to get the sling plate out without destroying the stock? SD......you're killin' me. These are the parts. Photo's by permission: Benelli M4 Anatomy Series Manual Edited November 26, 2013 by benelliwerkes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelliwerkes Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 This is how the parts are related internally. Photo's by permission; Benelli M4 Anatomy Series Manual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelliwerkes Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 You will need to use a specialty 13 mm deep socket .....not your run of the mill deep socket, as shown; the length of the bolt that requires the use of a "slave" nut is too long for most common tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelliwerkes Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) The disassembly goes like this. Photo's by permission: Benelli M4 Anatomy Series Manual Edited November 26, 2013 by benelliwerkes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelliwerkes Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Photo's by permission: Benelli M4 Anatomy Series Manual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhunted Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 My head hurts now.... Lmao.... Thanx Bene... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelliwerkes Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Assembly is almost the reverse of disassembly. Photo's by permission: Benelli M4 Anatomy Series Manual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelliwerkes Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Photo's by permission: Benelli M4 Anatomy Series Manual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benelliwerkes Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) Can we at least agree it's not welded in place ?? For a professional result, you have to have patience, the correct tools and great instructions! Edited November 26, 2013 by benelliwerkes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Awesome pictorial. I'll give this a try on an old stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhunted Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 LMAO! Hey, don't shoot the messenger. There was never an explanation like this anywhere on the net. Believe me, I looked. It definitely is one helluva ensemble... my head still hurts. Why so elaborate? Couldn't it be simpler I wonder? Doesn't seem hard to do after looking at everything. Only thing would be getting that long extension and extra nut. I'm guessing because it says, "may desire", that the nut can stay on without interference in anything else? Again, many thanks Benne... This topic should be stickied... Can we at least agree it's not welded in place ?? For a professional result, you have to have patience, the correct tools and great instructions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVATactical.com Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 This is a prime example of BW coming through when everyone else is stumped. Not just a general idea of how to overcome the issue, actual pictures, detailed descriptions of the mechanical problems being solved including special tools, etc. Asset to the community. Bhunted - you considering that Noveske QD Sling Plate now that this thing can be disassembled? It's not ambi, but other than that, that seems like a great option if you like the sling placement it provides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhunted Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 Possibly.... But everything is going to have to wait till after the holidays. The Noveske points sound easier in a long run, but keeping it close to original w/o drilling is nice too. I'm already in trouble from wife for buying too many toys this year and her orders are in. After her clamoring this morning, I had to remind her where recent funds went, like for HER new pistol, etc.... You know how that goes... lol.. PS: We need to get this man (BW) a few beers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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