DSteagall Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 I took my 13 year old daughter to the range last Saturday. She wanted to shoot my Ed Brown Special Operations .45 (carry weapon) and the now finished Benelli M4. She had quite a few FTE's and I had a couple. I am wondering if this could be caused by a "limp shoulder" caused by a weak stance or not bracing enough. We were shooting Federal target loads as I did not want my daughter hating the M4 by having her shoot 00 or slugs the first time out ~ Nothing but smiles from her by the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler&kochp2000 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Week loads , limp shoulder will be the cause!!! In most cases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSteagall Posted July 31, 2014 Author Share Posted July 31, 2014 I kinda thought that. I have not done anything to the M4 that would cause it to shoot differently with that shell/load than the first few times where I had so many FTE's that I just shot buckshot till my shoulder hurt. Then last time with my daughter we both took some lessons and it worked out much better. On my next outing with it I will concentrate on stance and stiffening up the shoulder to see how that works. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unobtanium Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 Interesting. It can certainly happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M7jnu Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Maybe the gun needs to be ran in using heavy loads for a while then it will work fine with lighter loads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckler&kochp2000 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Unload Saftey first, then while storing it leave the bolt pulled back, to break in the recoil spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadDad Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Maybe the gun needs to be ran in using heavy loads for a while then it will work fine with lighter loads? This ^ is definitely more fun than this: Unload Saftey first, then while storing it leave the bolt pulled back, to break in the recoil spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcharger Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 I agree with M7jnu I have both shoulders that have torn rotator cuff's but at 39 can't say that works for me. not to bad but i live with it. just shoot more with it. shes to young to have any of that.... mine caused from working out hard ( not shooting )....... [h=3][/h] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koyote Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Consider a shooting vest that has pockets in front of your shoulder that you can place a "rubber" pad into. Got both at Cabelas. Both Remington and Winchester make light loads 2 3/4" @ 1145 fps velocity. Those Zombie Max were painful. I have an M2 which I bought last year and have never had a FTE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Legend Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Don't forget lubrication. Spray it a bit before taking it out. It should almost be dripping. Since it's a gas system the weak shoulder shouldn't come into it much, but I'm sure it can affect it. Broken Legend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSteagall Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 I have shot PLENTY of high brass thru it. And, I have never had a problem with that, just low brass target loads. That said, I have not tried anything other than Federal target loads - yet. I'll try another brand. Maybe it will like that better? Although I have never had the thing "dripping with lubricants" of any type, I have used Enos' red Slide-Glide on the bolt area as well as a little Rem-Oil or equivalent. It did cycle these loads better after I installed the CarrierComp tube and Wolf spring. But as stated, I had a couple of FTE but my daughter who is learning had quite a few. I have to get it set up for turkey loads and chokes now, but before I do I'll run it again and try a firmer stance and shoulder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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