jtb33 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I'm referring to this one: https://botach.com/battle-steel-benelli-m4-top-rail-w-integrated-aimpoint-holosun-micro-sight-base/ I purchased one because it was advertised as being able to co-witness on the M4 with a Holosun or Aimpoint micro. It arrived today and I tested it out with a Holosun 403 and it's not a co-witness, not a lower 1/3 co-witness - it's not even a lower 1/50 co-witness. It's a nice rail, but I don't know if it's just THIS Holosun that doesn't co-witness on it, or if they didn't advertise it correctly - it's not like you can install this rail incorrectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2_shootr Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) Buy a ScalarWorks rail, they designed it. Botach is a horrible company to deal with. Edited August 3, 2021 by M2_shootr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha 33 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Well, the holosun is manufactured in communist china after all. my 2cents 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwb377 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, alpha 33 said: Well, the holosun is manufactured in communist china after all. my 2cents So that's why it won't co-witness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangerDanger Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Battle Steel rail* *Made from 6061 aluminum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtb33 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 I know it's made in China. I know that Holosun is made in China. I know a lot of people don't like Botach for this reason or that reason. I'm not looking for the sanctimonious tripe regarding me purchasing Chinese items; we have ALL purchased and owned Chinese stuff, whether it's the Norinco AK or SKS, or the box of crayons and coloring book purchased from Wal-Mart. Also, I do know ScalarWorks has a couple Benelli M4 mounts that are more than twice the cost, but not this same design. I bought this one because it was advertised to work with Holosun's, which I have - and like the design of this one with the half-rail. The cost was attractive as well and I don't mind ordering from Botach. That said, moving on to the actual question and issue I asked about; I'm guessing that this will only work with the Holosun red dots that don't use the battery tray under the optic since that raises the height a bit... and even in the best situation, with the most low profile mount and low profile optic, it's still lower than a lower 1/3 cowitness based on the pics on Scalarworks site of the view in those instances. So perhaps the real answer is that a functional cowitness on a Benelli M4 hasn't been designed yet, and maybe there's a reason for that. I guess most just put it on the factory rail and don't worry about cowitness. I may just have to do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha 33 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 hours ago, kwb377 said: So that's why it won't co-witness? that's what I'm sayin'........communist piece of $hit......................... 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2_shootr Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 19 hours ago, jtb33 said: I know it's made in China. I know that Holosun is made in China. I know a lot of people don't like Botach for this reason or that reason. I'm not looking for the sanctimonious tripe regarding me purchasing Chinese items; we have ALL purchased and owned Chinese stuff, whether it's the Norinco AK or SKS, or the box of crayons and coloring book purchased from Wal-Mart. Also, I do know ScalarWorks has a couple Benelli M4 mounts that are more than twice the cost, but not this same design. I bought this one because it was advertised to work with Holosun's, which I have - and like the design of this one with the half-rail. The cost was attractive as well and I don't mind ordering from Botach. That said, moving on to the actual question and issue I asked about; I'm guessing that this will only work with the Holosun red dots that don't use the battery tray under the optic since that raises the height a bit... and even in the best situation, with the most low profile mount and low profile optic, it's still lower than a lower 1/3 cowitness based on the pics on Scalarworks site of the view in those instances. So perhaps the real answer is that a functional cowitness on a Benelli M4 hasn't been designed yet, and maybe there's a reason for that. I guess most just put it on the factory rail and don't worry about cowitness. I may just have to do that. Footprint of the Holosun is the same as an RMR Not knocking you, but I learned years ago, quality is not cheap. Buy once cry once. Cheap components and optics are rarely worth the hassle. A 12ga is brutal on optics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M2_shootr Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) Hey, that mount is made in USA. Thats about all it has going for it Edited August 4, 2021 by M2_shootr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les_garten Posted September 12, 2021 Share Posted September 12, 2021 I have Trijicon SRO on my M4 and am getting Holosun 510's for my AK's. That matches right? Do I have that lined up right? ? The Holosun 510C is awesome BTW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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