[m4 or m2]

Despite the fact I have three short barreled "defensive" shotguns, including an M4 Shotgun, they're second or even third tier weapons for that use. At least in my neighborhood.

 

Leaving aside their weight and length for a moment they're not magic area weapons and need to be aimed with at least as much accuracy as you would a M4 Carbine, a much handier weapon in every environment. At 15 yards my M4 pattern with 00Buck shows below. Beyond that range there are pellets running uncontrolled down range.

 

You never, ever want to have to clear your house of intruders alone. After running live fire drills in closely controlled training exercises my shotguns are the third thing I'd want to do this with!

 

Add to this the low ammunition load you have. 0330 bump in the night scenario calls for a high capacity weapon. A 30 round magazine in my M4 Carbine tops my list. Juggling sidesaddle reloading in the dark takes more skill than I have the practice time to master.

 

I'm not sure who said it, the it's true: If you're carrying a shotgun you need to either be firing it -- or loading it!

 

-- Chuck

 

Chuck you sound like you have experience with this sort of thing so I'm hoping you will explain a few things I dont understand. If during a 0330 bump in the night scenario you decide to go "clear" your house, if not alone, who is going to lend assistance? Wife, GF, Kids?? Just curious. Or are you going to wait for the police to show up and then ask if they want help? You mentioned uncontrolled pellets down range right before you said how much better 30 high powered long distance rifle bullets are. why 30? how many people are you expecting in that "bump in the night" ? I'm guessing the national average for break ins involves 1.1 people or so. So again, 30 bullets for 1.1 persons? sounds like a lot of uncontrolled lead down range to me.

 

"Juggling side saddle loading, in the dark". Not that I think you would ever need to with a 6-9 round capacity benelli, but if so it's really not hard, at all. the amount of light available matters not. very stinking unlikely to be reloading in a home defense situation though.

 

shot guns need to be aimed with at least as much accuracy. That's interesting as all ****. for what reason, are we talking about probability of a hit or concerned about damaging some sheet rock?

 

a carbine is a much handier weapon in any environment. thats Interesting to say the least. So like in trenches or for hitting moving targets or for breaching doors or firing a vast assortment of projectile types....?

 

sorry but most everything you said is nuts.

[Sure Fire M80 f/ Benelli M4 for sale in Louisiana]

Darn that stinks about the m4 being stolen, how'd that happen?

[new owner with questions.]

I pop in from time to time so I ain't the authority, I do however own an M4.

 

The part about the slugs is horseshit. The gun is MOST reliable with heavy loads.

 

Buy the full length tube, no shortcuts for this masterpiece.

[M4 Mag Tubes]

Yes you can ghost load the M4 for a total capacity of 9 2.75 shells.

[M4 literature]

I found what the Military manual I was after. I cried for help a bit early...

 

Any other literature is always nice though so if there is anything else printed regarding the M4 I wouldn't mind having a look.

[M4 literature]

At one point in time on this site, someone had put up a link to a much more in depth manual for the M4 than what comes with the gun. I think it was a military or "field" issue. Can anyone point me in the right direction of where to find all available literature for this gun? Links?

 

Thanks.

[M4 Piece O' Junk]

I had some FTF trouble with mine at first as well and was pretty discouraged. What kind of rounds exactly are you useing? These guns dont like the bird shot. Also, as the gun breaks in it will perform better. Not sure of your level of gunmanship, this may not be news to you, but either the rounds are too weak, or there is a problem with your gun. Either way it can be corrected. But above all this gun is F'ing amazing, none nicer IMO. Get to the bottom of the issue and never look back.

[Use of steel shot in M4?]

My manual doesn't go into much detail about what I can and cannot use in my M4. Is steel going to harm my barrel, or am I free to fire at will?

 

The one choke that came with the gun is stamped as being OK for steel, but that doesn't really speak for the barrel.

 

Thanks.

[Missing components?]

I had a Supernova shotgun for just a short time before I sold it for my M4. I was pretty sure that the Nova didn't use a choke. That would eliminate two of the things you mention.

 

As for the shimming kit, I didn't get that stuff either.

[I found a gunsmith who will cut the 18.5" M4 barrel to 14"...]

Hey sarge, how did this turn out for you?