I made a trip to Cabelas and took your advice sleepydoc, I see the differences you mentioned. I want a gun that hunts, not looks pretty in the guncase...so now its down to the M2 or SBE2. You know with Hevi-Shot these days its hard to justify the need for the 3-1/2's in my world. Sure, its more...but I like getting them in close anyway (turks). On another note, I also switched out chokes this weekend on my 870. I bought a Jellyhead for my Hevi-shot and it shoots so tight Im afraid of a miss under 20 yards! No scope for me, so its back to Full.