Dr-Burns

Did you do any of the programming?

If I need to seek help it won't be from you as you have none to offer that wouold be beneficial

I find it humorous that so many people take the advise of someone that obviously can't shoot. Take a look the (man) talks of accuracy and post a picture 4"s off. What are you guys looking for in a rifle? Something that hits the paper? You guys must have a low self esteem quote by Tucker301 "I've already discounted your so called expertise in another thread. Do you really want to get trashed here to? you have done nothing but discredit your creditabilty. People think that you are somebody because you've been on the forum for almost a year. You haven't shown me anything but that your arrogance is only superceded by your inabilities. You should stick with computers.

That must have been a lucky shot since your group is 4 inches left of center. Or let me guess you were aiming for the 4. No you shouldn't have stopped you should have zeroed your scope.

Apparently, he's seen you shoot before Goodness gracious you just don't know when to stop. I guess I left it open though. I have seen your off target groups from your savage 22-250 on the other post no where in there was the target center. I can see why your impressed with the R1 . You need a 12 inch kill zone for that group you shot to have even hit the animal. I know that you will have an excuse, weather crosswinds yada yada yada..I have no problem with the groups from any of my rifles and mine are zeroed on the target center with sub 1" groups at 100. Mike and I shoot on a regular basis together and feels that the R1 will not impress me as far as grouping..I guess my standards are higher than yours. I feel that accuracy is important. I can see that by your groups that accuracy is not a factor for you but you are consitantly off center. When you get it sighted in shoot another group. The bullet holes should be where you put the cross that is inside your scope That is what those lines are for I know that you will have something to say as now that someone has discovered your inability to shoot straight

"Many, many people don't come to this site, or even know about it, until they think they have a problem and they come here seeking soultions." I agree that for the most part forums are used to try to solve the problems at hand.ie trigger pull issues. In the present you have a few that are grieved over spending the 1000.00 or so dollars on an expectation that it is a fine quality/shooting gun only to be disappointed because their personal expectations based on advertisement and endorsements were so high and in reality the Benelli R1 is little more than any other semi-auto on the market. Personally I would have expected much more of the R1 after shooting there shotguns. I, wanting to be more familiar with the R1 went to a dealer friend of mine and made the offer that if it shot sub 2" groups I would buy one if not I got my pick of rifles at cost. The dealer declined the offer stating "I can't garantee that the rifle will do that and if not I have to sell it as used" shows little faith in the quality of Benelli. I do appreciate you being candid in your opinion and support of a product that you believe in. It is my personal opinion that if I was going to buy a rifle to hunt with that each and every shot would be on the mark. I will continue to watch the rifle and at such time that it meets my expectations I will consider the R1 with comfort stock in a 300mag.

"Doctor Phil When someone says, "Shipped to my FFL", it means that the gun will be shipped to the FFL dealer of their choice for legal transfer of ownership and registration. At least that's the way it's been in the interstate" The term My convey's ownership. You are right about one thing you do own an R1 but that in itself doesn't make you more qualified. If the reason they state is for safety then so be it. I think that Benelli could back off of that position somewhat and have a much better firearm. quote "Given your ill-informed bias against the R1, it would be best that you don't ever buy one. As for me, I have one, I shoot it, I hunt with it, and I am pleased with it's performance. It does everything I expect of it, and more. It's not that my standards are lower than anyone else's . It's simply a matter of knowing what you're doing, and having realistic expectations of an autoloading medium to big game hunting rifle." If your gun shoots 1 1/2 - 2" groups you have a good semi-auto and that is a reasonable expectation The ones that I have seen don't do that and as you have read there are many that don't. So someone with the same realistic expectations of performance are being disappointed. Thanks for your time, good luck in what endeavers you take on.

Are you consistanly an arse or do you just try to play one. I'll give you $600 plus actual shipping to my FFL tomorrow. as you can see from your own post that you did state that. Yes I know that powder, temperature, barrels, primers, casings, overall length, seating depth, crimp/ pressure during seating,bullet manufacturer and consistantly from the same lot as they all have variances. But overall you will see more concern of trigger jobs than anything else. As you have stated before the Savage is one of the best shooters out of the box. I have the old style trigger that is adjusted and polished that will shoot with any bench gun. I also have the 10ml with accutrigger and would prefer the old style. I'm used to touching a crisp trigger applying 1.8 lbs and have it fire. I do not personally own a R1 nor will I. If I was going to spend that kind of money it would be a pre64 winchester model 70 featherweight. The problem with the groups in the R1 is that at 3-4 inches at 100 on a moving animal that 4in could mean a wounded animal. a Quartering towards means possibly gut shot thru no vitals. But before this goes any further is there away to lighten and smooth the trigger that doesn't cost an arm and leg..Remember the impression that you give is the one to be remembered. To each his own but the demeaning of one human being by another is unwarranted. I feel that you have enormous amounts of animosity built up inside and that you feel that by belittling someone elses abilities makes you feel better about youself and your own inabilities. Please forgive my typing skills but my hand writing is worse. I just thought of something else and rather than an additional post. There is no 1,2,3 rule for fine tuning a rifle. What works for one may not work for another even if same make and model [ 09-01-2005, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: Dr-Burns ]

In the first place, if you believed that the cost of the rilfe is directly attributable to its accuracy, regardless of design, build, and intended pupose, then you are severely ignorant of rifle design and function. Secondly, if you are unable to sight in the R1 because of the trigger pull, then you are completely incompetent and should not own a rifle of any make. You are probably the most arrogant person that I have ever read a post from...I will invite you to shoot a 6lb trigger against mine any day. Trigger pull is the key to accurate consistant groups. I can see that you like many others, that holding an FFL doesn't make you knowledgable of firearms or abilty to shoot. Ask any shooter what determines accuracy. 1. a good trigger 2. bolt lock up and lock time 3. cartridge chambering and spacing on or off lands

tucker301 you sounded like you almost knew what you were talking about. Any rifle that boast the quality of the Benelli should shoot better than the average if speaking of quality. The bolt locking system and lock time should make the first shot out of the barrel comparable to any rifle on the market. A well seasoned barrel will make an enormous difference in performance but the Benelli trigger for lack of words (sucks). A Savage and Remington both are within the same price range. I have both but. Until you compare the same caliber, barrel length and trigger pulls and optics you can't compare. The R1 is a close quarters hunting utensil. With the groups that I have seen shot 3" to 4" groups at 100 yds is not satisfactory at 200yds. It's not designed to go head-to-head with the likes of Cooper, Savage, Kimber, and the lowly Remington on paper heck in my opinion its not designed to go head to head with anything. I would take a Remington 700 with a bent barrel over an R1...It may not shoot straight but i can adjust the trigger like I want and what the heck neither one is accurate [ 09-01-2005, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: Dr-Burns ]