CHIEF GR
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i bought mine new in September and it was delivered like this:
They are delivered at a capacity of 7+1 but sold with a restrictor rod which limits it to 3+1 due to our Law requirements. However if you are using it for sport purposes (ex IPSC) you can remove the restrictor rod in less than 3" which gives you a capacity of 7+1 without Ghost Loading.
Also the barell is slightly longer (I think its 52cm vs 50), to meet our barell law requirements.
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carriercomp states that their titanium tube weighs 5.5 ounces. The factory tube is about 10.5 ounces. So you'll reduce the front end weight roughly 5 ounces. However, with a full length tube, you will be adding two additional rounds. Each round weighs approximately 2 ounces.
Without a doubt it is worth it though. Since if you went with a steel unit, you'd have the 10.5 ounces, plus the weight of the extra ammunition. Plus, steel can rust. There is YouTube video of the titanium tubes used to make carriercomp's tubes being run over by a truck without deforming.
The coating carriercomp uses is extremely tough. I figured it would scratch off from me pulling the barrel assembly over it. I was looking at it earlier today, and there isn't a single mark on it. I've had the tube installed since 2009.
Plus, all the extra goodies you get from carriercomp are nice. The Wolff spring is much better than the factory piece of crap. Your shells will eject onto the elevator with authority. The US made follower is a nice feature to bring you one part closer to 922 compliance.
140 Grams is not that much to be honest especialy for $180. My M4 accepts 7+1 out of the box, when you mean +2 rounds what is the total load capacity ?
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If I recall, the Surefire M80 weighed 5 ounces over the weight of the factory handguards. The trouble is, once you start slapping accessories on it, the weight goes up rapidly. Even adding rail covers alone will add another 2 - 4 ounces. Add a AFG or a FVG, and add another 3, 4 or 5 ounces. Add a light like a Surefire Scout, add another 5 ounces. So right there alone you've added a pound of weight.
The factory handguards are far more comfortable than the M80 is. The only reason to use an M80 is if you have a weapon light to mount, or if you just cannot live without a FVG of some sort.
Spend extra if a lighter weight option for parts exist. Titanium full length magazine tubes are a no-brainer in my opinion. The weight savings offsets the weight gained by the extra capacity.
Do you have weight differences between the stock tube and the titanium tube ?
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2.2 lbs. is a LOT of extra weight on a long arm intended for fast handling. All that extra weight means one has much more inertia to overcome when bringing it to bear, and in the middle of a s**t blizzard nanoseconds can determine whether one is 'quick' or 'dead'. Those who build performance cars seek to decrease their unsprung weight for very good reason.
I believe that the loadout has to do entirely with the purpose of the weapon. If the weapon is to be used in competition for example then the modifications would be totally different than if it were to be used for hunting, military or HD scenarios.
For instance in a HD scenario you would probably want a flashlight which, for the M4, automatically means a hand guard with a rail.
In any situation that you choose I believe you build the gun to your specs and then train constantly and consistently.
In some cases that might mean lightning the weapon in other cases that my mean doing some pushups so you arms can easily handle the load.
When I started training with my M4 my shoulder was soar and the weapon seemed heavy. Now I can go through a couple of hundred rounds with no problem and manipulate the weapon easily.
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I can understand the weight issue BUT if you choose your parts carefully it should not add to the overall weight that much.
To give you an example my setup only adds 1kg to the total weight. On the other hand in a HD/SD scenario i wouldnt expect to have to hold it to the extent that my hands can no longer support it. If i where to go hunting or have to track a long distance with it i would definately use a sling even if it was 1kg lighter than the original weight.
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I really like the collapsable stock. Unfortunately its forbidden in my country since there is a minimum lenght restriction on shotguns.
The AFG in the above pictures looks like Version 2 (Not Sure though) which is slimmer compared to V1 and is too slim for my hands.
In general the AFG will provide you with an aggresive forward grip which allows better control over the weapon in terms of recoil and sway. Its pretty much the same MD theory from ARs implemented on Shotguns. For me it works great, others that have picked up my shotgun find it difficult to adapt to.
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1+ for the forward shell carrier
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Nice Build! A couple of questions:
1) How long is the barrel ? How many rounds do you hold in that configuration ?
2) Is that a Larue Quick Disconnet for the T1 ?
PS
Have you experienced any lockouts with the black hawk holster ?
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i was trying to be polite without saying his gun looks like a total piece of ****!
Dear Bello,
Every shotgun, rifle or Gun should be built to a specific usage and purpose and should fit its owners needs. Aesthetically I can’t please everyone with what I have build, but it works for me so I don’t really mind.
You are entitled to an opinion as everyone else (You know what they say about opinions) and that’s it. Your initial remark was noted but your second remark cannot go un answered.
Hi jacking a thread to call someone else’s work a piece of **** does not add any value to the community and certainly does not add any value to my thread.
I would at least expect that the Navy taught you some manners
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nice! you like the Fab defence? I am really liking mine
I looked into all the other options and it is by far the best value for its money. It also gives a nice positive forward grip and lots of mounting options.
The only draw back is that its not plug & play it needs modification with a dremel to fit the M4 correctly.
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The T1 is small, compact, durable and i absolutely love it. My favorite red dot site.
The sidearmor shell holder is well built however in conjuction with the fab defense rail it puts it quite forward, so people with shorter arms might not be able to easily access the ammo without breaking the stance. Great setup for ammo change over. Of course it mounts on any picatinny rail
Thank you for the feedback
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Though i drop in and share some pictures of my modified M4
Mods include:
Mesa Tactical Urbino Stock
Urbino Quick Disconnect
Fab Defense front rail system
GG&G Bolt Release
GG&G Charging Handle
SideArmor forward shell holder
Velcro Shell Carriers
Magpul AFG
Magpul MS2
T1 Micro
Nova misfires all the time.... some lucky ass ducks
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If true, in terms of home defence, that definately can be an issue