etcetera
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I run the Benelli M4 pistol grip stock on a Versa Max and incredibly cannot find a sling that fits both ends.
The front sling stud looks like this:
The other side. I could use a quick-detach device but would rather use the existing stud. I don't need QD anything, will consider either 2 or 3 point.
Cannot post a third pic but everyone knows what the rear looks like.
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le12700 runs best out of cylender bore.
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I noticed that you can sometimes get a good deal, an M4 for $1600 or 1800 but with tons of accessories
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Going price for an M4, stock configuraton and in used condition with "a few hundred rounds through it"?
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supposedly the 8 pellet version has a tighter pattern than the 9 pellet.
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Found this video, have a question - should the pistons be lubricated? I left mine completely dry after cleaning. I hear reports that oiling the pistons will cause higher pressure.
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I always wanted an M4 but it was sort of out of my price range so I ended up getting a VM. It's rather nice with the fixed M4 PG stock I installed and the Aimpoint.
It's 100% reliable, soft-shooting, etc, it's all that and a bag of chips but the only problem is it's too long and front-heavy. The 22" barrel.
Now I have a chance to upgrade to a M4. I've never test-driven an M4 so don't have an idea but imagine it can't be much different. It looks much more compact, not sure if I will pursue the telescopic stock, I like the fixed M4 stock as it is. But even with the fixed PG stock it looks a lot smaller.
Is 1500 a good price for a used M4 with "only 100 rounds through it" kind of deal. Do I get any other benefits over VM other than more compact size?
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You got PM.
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I see why, the reload times go up. Kind of defeats the purpose, might as well carry it on the belt. Who sells the best velcro/shell card in one package?
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Point understood. I want something like this, the velcro on this M2:
Skip to 8:37
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Too much weight forward. Too bulky. I like the weight to be at the stock end.
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Is there a quality (not Walmart grade) shell holder for the buttstock, that's 8 rounds in capacity? And fits M4 stock?
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Please post actual pictures instead of stock ones. That will cause less confusion.
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Tried the Federal Flite Control Wad ammo, LE132 and such, it shrinks your patterns in half, you get 7" patterns at 25 yards. Seems to extend the range to 40 yards, all 9 pellets stay on paper.
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Aimpoint T1 seats the lowest, which is what I like. Larue QD mount, the lowest one.
Still get a cheek-weld versus a chin-weld.
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Viewing things strictly from a tactical perspective based upon my own RW experience (justified shooting with a five round pump, and I can tell you from my own personal first hand experience it's the worst feeling in the world to be down to 1 or 2 rounds when the fight is still ongoing, therefore I now place a very high priority on having a topped off mag and extra ammo at hand) along with hanging out for several years with those who carry a gun for a living (seasoned patrol officers, SWAT, gov's security detail) a detachable mag fed shotty is at a disadvantage to a tube fed mag shotty, even if limited to five rounds. The reason being is that with practical tactical shotgun use in a social situation one is generally in much closer proxmity to the bad guy(s). I can't think of a single 'stand alone' tactical scenario (meaning you're completely on your own with no help coming anytime soon) where a detachable mag shotgun would be preferable to tube mag shotgun. For one thing, who is able to maintain a count of their shots under stressfire?? Just not gonna happen, I don't care how much training one has had. In a tactical situation one MUST be firing and maneuvering, and while on the move one should be topping off one's tube mag. Not practical to top off a detachable mag, have to wait for the appropriate time to change to a fresh mag - way too many uncertainties with that. What if one has a face to face shootout with multiple assailants at 7 yards (the average distance in social situations) and one only has 1 or 2 rounds left in one's detachable magazine since one hasn't been able to keep topping it off like one could with a standard tube mag? Oops. And additionally, where do you carry all those HUGE spare shotgun mags?? One bandolier = 50 rounds of shotgun ammo, to match that.
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Well thought-out, logical response worth quoting.
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I'm talking about LEO and self defense applications, don't know if you are.
I don't do either, it's more of a TSHTF piece.
If it's an acute issue then why doesn't US law enforcement employ 22" shotguns? They don't. They use 14" and 18" shotguns.
It was just answered above. In dot mil for instance, they work in teams. Point guy with a shotgun, one with SAW, the rest with M4 carbines, et cetera. Whatever is the squad configuration. I don't have that luxury, of a "mag-fed rifle" as a backup.
The Versamax Tactical is a 22" 3 gun competition shotgun for gamers.
The R12 is a law enforcement gun and comes in 2 lengths; 14" and 18". The Benelli M4 is a law enforcement/military gun that comes in 2 lengths; 14" and 18".
I took a 2 day defensive shotgun class this year with shotgun SME Rob Haught. He said something to the effect "you don't know how great shotgunning is until you try a 14 inch gun".
I agree and I hear you. However, the other side of the coin is, you don't know how great shotgunning is until you try a VMT that has been Pistol-gripped a la Benelli M4. Reduced recoil loads are unbelievable. I do think a little extra capacity is a tactical advantage. I haven't test driven a R12 but the heavier weight VMT should recoil less theoretically allowing faster follow up shots, with a higher capacity that further enables that, less time spent reloading.
I am aware of the shoot one, load one mantra, and also a backup sidearm I think are the standard ways to deal with low capacity.
I wish they had made a 8+1+1 version with a 20" barrel. With a 22", a 9+1+1 makes more sense. I suppose they did not overcome that engineering issue.
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Capacity in a shotgun is an acute issue and a 22" is trade off thats well worth it. Additional benefits include lower recoil and some say higher velocity.
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Will do.
R12 version looks nice until you realize you take a cut in capacity: the 14" version has only 5+1 while 18" is 6+1.
The full length version is nice as it can take 10, with one in chamber and one ghost-loaded.
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Remington Versa Max already uses a gas system similar to M4's, supposedly the trigger group is identical and here is what happens when you add a M4 PG to a Tactical VM. Not exactly a clone. You can call it Remelli or Benington. This is something Remington should have done from the factory instead of messing with duck guns.
Advantages over M4: Higher capacity by 1, no part count issues, arguably lighter recoil, a little cheaper, can feed 3.5" shells.
Disadvantages: A 22" barrel is about as "tactical" as a broom, too front-heavy and too long. I am not complaining because it can do 8+1+1 but wish it was 20". That is the main problem with the VM Tactical.
Conclusion: I think a genuine M4 would still be my first choice, but a Versa Max Benington is a close second. Zero issues of any kind. I find the fixed M4 stock decent with LOP being just right.
BENELLI OPTIC RAIL The decisive Trijicon RMR mount for the Benelli m4
in Benelli
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is this mount compatible with Remington Versa Max?