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Man that first post, are we sure that's not a spam bot? lol Justification and/or fanboy blind devotion. The M4 certainly has them like few other firearms. (the only other gun that comes close in my mind is everyone's recent love affair with the "Staccato". STI made these 2011 pistols for years and they were scorned by "real shooters" as gamer guns and not to be taken seriously. They changed the name of the company, made them black, hung a bunch of shit all over them and now they're every Timmie's ultimate wet dream pistol.) "When going down this rabbit hole the one shotgun that kept coming up over and over was the Benelli M4. Everything about it shows it as being the most effective tool for the job." What job is that? That's the problem. It's a job that almost no one who buys them is actually doing. (and I don't mean pretend practicing to do it, "training"., LARP'ing and fantasy camp with guns.) The M4's problem is it's one trick pony. That problem's not exclusive to the M4, other than that it's only available in the one dress. (short barrel and ghost rings) Plenty of other guns come like that, but unlike the M4 they also come in other variations. The "issue" comes when people buy what they really don't need. Don't take that the wrong way, people can buy whatever they what for whatever reason the want, or no reason at all. Lord knows I have dozens of guns I sure don't "need" or use for their intended purpose) Like anything else when you try to press it into service for other tasks, yes you can make it work to some degree, but it will never work as well as the right tool. And that's what people are pointing out. The M4's "problem" is too many people buy it because they saw it in movies and video games and know it's the bestest gun ever. (It very well may be, but if it is, it's for doing things they don't do) The old saying was "Beware of the man with only one gun, he probably knows how to use it." Years ago when I worked at a large public shooting range, my mind was changed to "Beware of the man with one gun, he probably hasn't used it in a really long time." Now it might be, "Beware of the man with only one gun, he bought it because of a video game." Anyway... back around the the very first thing I wrote before adding all of the rambling nonsense above: I suppose it's all about realities. For ME, I've yet to come up with anything my M4 does better than the other models. That's ME. (other than yes it kicks a little less than my inertia guns, because it's gas and almost 2 lbs heavier than a similarly appointed M2. But that is of minor importance to me.)

I have never really been a shotgun guy, yes I have owned them and the very first gun I ever purchased was a Remington 870. Yet, I never really looked at them in any serious manner. I had a very flawed view of what they are and the effects it has in combat or self-defense. I just thought of them as a range toy that should never be taken seriously. I have always been a rifle and pistol guy, even building my own AR-type rifles and having a CCW, and carrying the best pistol ever created, 1911, every day with tons of practice and training with both those platforms. Until recently, I witnessed the absolutely devasting effects the shotgun has and the ability to use it for self-defense in an extremely accurate and proficient way. This is what lead me down the shotgun rabbit hole. The more I have studied and researched shotguns and the ability to use them in ways I never thought possible made me reevaluate how I look at shotguns. When going down this rabbit hole the one shotgun that kept coming up over and over was the Benelli M4. Everything about it shows it as being the most effective tool for the job. So, I thought let me get one and judge for myself, and so I just bought one and have been a proud owner of it for two days now lol. I have already put 100 rounds of various ammo through it of course with your guy's help with the proper choke as well, and I must say I am very very impressed with its abilities. I did not come into this with a biased view or a "favorite brand" when I got this shotgun. To be honest, it was between the M4 and the Mossberg 940 JM Pro, which was made by this shotgun shooting competition guy named Jerry Miculek. In the end, after doing all the comparisons and research I chose the M4 and do not regret it for one second. My 14-year-old daughter shot it as well and is now her favorite firearm in my collection. All that being said, I think people come into this with a tribalistic view. They have been shooting "x" guns for their whole lives and nothing will ever be better than it no matter what. I completely understand that as I do tend to have a bias towards certain types of firearms and rifles, yet with shotguns, I had no mind towards one brand or another or which type over another. I just wanted what has been proven reliable and has a history of continued use with positive outcomes. People also like to be contrarians and what to go against what is popular or what people say is the best, simply to be different, and that is fine to a point. When you start to overlook or deny the facts then you are only hurting yourself. The other thing that comes up is that people will follow their favorite Youtuber and take their advice or copy and mimic them to a nauseating end and ignore what everyone else says simply because "Joe Blow on Youtube said x,y,z, and I trust and believe him/her no matter what anybody else says". As I do not have experience with all the different makes and models of all the shotguns out there I can say this. The Benelli M4 so far for me has been a wonderful firearm when I have shot it and it has gone far beyond what my expectations are of what a shotgun is and what a well-built shotgun can do. I plan on taking some classes here soon to get better trained with it and learn from people who are further down the road than I on how to correctly operate and manipulate this awesome piece of machinery. I hope to learn more from you all as well I have found some great information on this website that has helped me better understand this firearm and I thank you all for that.

Man, the forums went down and when they came back up, both the items I wanted were spoken for! I'll take 2nds in the unlikely event the buyer backs out.