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  1. I would have serious doubts about buying a Benelli at all considering the unsatisfactory way in which Benelli has handled the whole collapsible stock issue on the M1014. The customer service was substandard and I was lied to on several occasions. If I can get the buffer tube replaced then I will keep the shotgun otherwise I plan on selling it and buying a HK. This will be the last Benelli I ever purchase as it has not been a positive experience.
  2. Can we get a contact and phone number? Does he have room for one more retro-fit? What method does he use to apply heat and remove the tube?
  3. Please post the contact information for the BENELLI CLASS3 guy I am ready to have this POS retro- fitted. What was the total cost? What about the warranty issues? Will the warranty be voided even when Benelli factory parts have been used? Has Benelli given their blessing on this solution?
  4. It is unfortunate that a Benelli customer would have to even consider litigation to compel a manufacturer to do the right thing. I am fortunate enough to have a friend that is an outstanding attorney located in Clayton Missouri and a graduate of Washington University Law School. He has been practicing law for 12 years and has helped me resolve issues with several uncooperative manufactures in the past. Perhaps we can get all the attorneys together and arrive at a creative solution to help the M1014 owners out. It seems that Benelli has put the M1014 owners in a catch 22 situation and have essentially forced you into buying a new shotgun. Benelli simply does not want you to have a collapsible stock on the M1014 even though it can be successfully done. If the buffer tube can be successfully replaced by a qualified gunsmith then why is there such resistance from Benelli to provide the parts. At the most you would be voiding your factory warranty. Of course the Benelli warranty could consider putting any type of light mount on the fore end of the shotgun an unauthorized modification and not honor the warranty. If I am forced into buying a new shotgun it will not be another Benelli. For all those considering throwing out the Benelli I suggest you look at the Heckler and Koch semi-auto tactical with the folding stock. The barrel is about an inch longer but with the folding stock the overall length of the shotgun is shorter than the Benelli. Also the HK comes with a lifetime warranty for the original purchaser. Has anyone gotten buy back prices from some of their local gun stores on the M1014? I suspect we will be lucky to get half of what we paid for the shotgun.
  5. I was told the tube could not be removed and there was a design difference that would prevent removal. This was not a warning concerning the removal but rather it could not be done. Why does Benelli approve of buffer tube removal on the M4 but not on the M1014 if the design is the same? I can understand Benelli having concerns with an amateur trying to remove the tube but there should be no objection to a professional gunsmith performing the removal. Why is Benelli acting like there is something special about the buffer tube removal on the M1014 and not on the M4. I don’t see any welds on the nut attaching the tube. My point of posting the pictures is to get feedback from other members as to what might have been done to prevent removal. Benelli needs to prove there is a design difference on the M1014 or sanction the buffer tube removal as they do with the M4.
  6. Negligent Design or Manufacture Unlike strict liability theory, which focuses on the product, negligence claims focus on the manufacturer's actions in designing and manufacturing the product. As in all negligence cases, the manufacturer can be found liable if a judge or jury finds that the manufacturer failed to exercise the degree of care that a reasonable manufacturer would exercise in manufacturing the product or that the product was not manufactured according to the manufacturer's own specifications.
  7. I examined the owner’s manual which shows the buffer tube to be removable and have posted that diagram. I expect the design of the shotgun to be the same as what is presented in the owner’s manual. There were no footnotes in the owner’s manual stating the buffer tube of the M1014 could not be removed and the buffer assembly of the M1014 was different from the M4. I suggest all M1014 owner’s thoroughly examine the engineering diagrams in their owner’s manuals if they disagree. The Benelli 5 year warranty does not cover accidental damaged caused by the owner’s use or normal wear and tear. As it stands if you damage the buffer assembly or it wears out you will have to replace the whole receiver. This is a negligent design and should be subject to recall and warranty repair.
  8. I have written several nice letters to Benelli asking for their assistances in this matter without a response. All letters simply requested information and clarification on this issue. There is no reason they can’t post a technical bulletin discussing this issue on the Benelli USA website. Further there is no reason to not provide M1014 owners with the diagrams showing the attachment of the buffer tube on the M1014. Any shotgun or rifle that is deliberately design in such a way that you can’t remove the buffer assembly is a negligent design. I had one of my rifles receive a crushing blow to the buffer assembly during a repelling outing. It was a post-ban rifle and required me to buy a new tube and stock since the stock is pinned to the tube but I did not have to replace the whole receiver. Collapsible stock or not the serviceability of the M1014 is degraded by a negligent design. The M4 came with a non-collapsible stock and complied with the AWB and the buffer tube is removable. We are entitled to an explanation from Benelli why the buffer tube is not removable on the M1014. Also they should be willing to make the modifications so it is removable under warranty.
  9. In the M1014 picture taken from the marketing literature there is a groove and notch on the buffer tube of the M1014 which would allow for a collapsible stock. Refer to the picture in the previous post with red circle highlights. But according to Benelli the M1014 was never designed to have a collapsible stock. Can anyone prove the M1014 is not the M4 given a different name/number to differentiate it as a limited edition? Why is Benelli refusing to provide technical drawings that will show how the design of the M1014 receiver and buffer tube assembly is different from the M4? I can’t even get Benelli USA technical support to tell me the differences. I have tried every diplomatic way to get Benelli to address this issue and provide the information I have requested and they refuse to comply. There is no doubt that if the buffer tube is permanently attached then all of us will take a major loss on this shotgun. The whole idea of this shotgun was to be a collectible that could appreciate in value some day. I am sure most of us are less worried about the collapsible stock now and more concerned with having to replace the receiver if and when the buffer assembly fails. I suggested a class action lawsuit as a remedy because obviously Benelli is not going to address this issue voluntarily. My attorney has always said to negotiate first and litigate as a last resort. I am at a complete standstill with Benelli and no one else has mentioned having any better luck.
  10. Has anyone tried to have a gunsmith remove the buffer tube from the M1014?
  11. Nowhere in the marketing literature does it state the M1014 is not a M4 and the M1014 is on the same page with all the US Marine service shotgun hype. The M1014 in the picture is shown with a notch and a groove in the buffer tube so the M1014 must be a M4 because only the M4 can have a buffer tube that supports a collapsible stock. The owner’s manual supplied with the M1014 is the M4 super 90 with no mention of the M1014. Even if one does not agree that the marketing literature is deceiving the M4 owner’s manual is an obvious misrepresentation. No where in the marketing literature or the owner’s manual does it state the buffer tube can not be replaced. Also in the marketing literature it refers to the stock as a civilian version but not the shotgun as a whole being a civilian version. The M4 is stated to have a non-collapsible stock in the marketing literature so does that mean the M4 as a whole is a civilian version. Red circles in the close up of the M1014 picture taken from the marketing literature show a groove and notch on the buffer tube. But according to Benelli the M1014 was never designed to have a collapsible stock. Are we starting to feel defrauded yet? I know my M1014 buffer tube does not have this circular groove and notch.
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