Mesa Tactical
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I can't help you, but I'd be really surprised if any factory threads weren't metric.
Benelli M2 Tactical and M4 shotguns are factory tapped with M4 metric threads. The screw length depends on the thickness of the rail and the depth of the countersink or counterbore. With the M2 and M4, it's very critical because on the one hand there isn't much material there and you want the screw as long as possible; but in teh other, if it's even slightly too long it interferes with barrel removal.
This is all for reference; we don't know much about the SuperNova. It could e very different.
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If we made anything like this for the M2, it would require an injection molded forend, hence a lot of time and money.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Maybe the B&T handguard was made for the older barrel style, which had a smaller diameter at the base. That big lip is one reason we had to go back to the drawing board wirh the FCAM.
Not what you wanted to hear, I'm sure, but an e-mail to B&T to ask about the big lipped barrels might be in order.
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Limbsavers are nothing short of miraculous. We put one on a Remington 870 and took it to a three day combat shotgun course. It was like shooting a .22, and after hundreds of 12 gauge rounds through a pump we didn't feel a thing in our shoulder (our cheekbones, on the other hand...).
There's a lot of excitement out there over wizzy recoil reduction technologies, but as far as we are concerned, all you really need is a Limbsaver. They are amazing.
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Benelli shotgun receivers are radiused at the top, whereas Remington shotguns have a flat. You can't use a rail for a Remington on a Benelli. Benelli rails must be custom made with concave radiused lower surfaces.
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Good job! And I'm sure a lot easier than importing one of these from us:
Do you use a nut on the opposite side or is the eyebolt threaded into the aluminum part of the grip? We have a little black oxide acorn nut on the reverse side.
[ 06-23-2006, 10:27 AM: Message edited by: Mesa Tactical ]
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The M2 Tactical ships with a Picatinny rail. It's possible that your SBE 2 has the same hole pattern. If so, try to find someone who can source the Benelli P-rail for M2 Tactical.
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Our market focus is law enforcement and military. Since the M3 is not in widespread use by professionals, it is unlikely we will be developing anything for it specifically. However, our SureShell shotshell carriers for the M2 Tactical will probably fit an M3 with a bit of drilling and tapping.
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No pre-orders, but the sling loops are now available:
http://www.mesatactical.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=111
http://www.mesatactical.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=109
http://www.mesatactical.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=110
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Well, we apologize for the delay, but it's coming.Originally posted by rjk:How's the re-tooling coming along?
One of the problems we had with the initial design was the choice of fasteners used to secure the interlocking studs that held the two halves together. We have since decided to go with nutserts. This should represent a big improvement to the design.
We sent the shotgun out to our photographer for some pics of the sling mount, and while he was at it he took a shot of the complete system:
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For some reason he's using a figure of 1,500 accidental gun deaths in the US every year. In fact, the figure according to the CDC is fewer than 1,000 (for example, 730 in 2003).
Ref: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr54/nvsr54_13.pdf Table 10.
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The upper rail will optionally support a six- or eight-shell carrier integrated into it. In addition, four- or six-shell carriers can be added to either side of the assembly above the forend.Originally posted by rjk:Just for clarification will the FCAM and shotshell carrier be a one piece unit?
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The 6-Shot SureShell Carriers for the Benelli M4/M1014 are finally available.
http://www.mesatactical.com/product_info.php?cPath=30_37&products_id=104
Thank you for your patience.
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We are working on it. Ironically, we have already paid for all the expensive tooling (injection mold and extrusion dies), so no one is more desparate to see this go on the market than we are.
Benelli really threw a zinger at us with the larger barrel diameter. We have to scrap our entire inventory of custom fasteners we made for the FCAM and come up with a new assembly mechansim.
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The brackets for the 6-shell carriers are at the platers right now being anodized. When they come in we will switch on the website and begin shipping.
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The sling swivel mount uses a hole that passes through the pistol grip of the skeleton stock. This holeOriginally posted by deasmuth:how does the push-button mount attach (and where?) Thank you.
normally holds a rolled pin that secures the nylon outer part of the pistol grip to the metal (steel, I
think) armature.
For the example we demonstrated for the Marines, we replaced the rolled pin with a screw that held the
flush cup for the sling swivel on one side and was secured on the opposite side by an acorn nut.
The Marines were not happy with this, as they said Loctite (which we recommended for the acorn nut) has a
nasty habit of going soft in the heat of Iraq. So we are now working on a slightly different version of
the one pictured that uses a clevis pin and cotter pin combination. We anticipate the Marines will be
much happier with a clevis pin.
Regarding 922®:
Since there is no strict definition of a "non-sporting" configuration by which the ATF judges weapons for
922® compliance, we generally assume that any specifically military configuration or feature would
violate the statute. After all, according to the ATF, the Brady Center and even a lot of alleged gun
rights defenders, the only "sporting" use of a firearm is to kill an animal. Foreward vertical grips
don't help in killing animals.
It's just a guess.
[ 04-12-2006, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Mesa Tactical ]
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We've been trained that the purpose of a sling is for transitioning, which is why combat shotguns should always have slings.
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Thank you for your continued interest in the FCAM.
Unfortunately, as reported above, we hit some snags in the development once we produced a handful of first
articles. Things didn't fit together the way we liked (this system must be field-strippable without tools),
and then Benelli dropped the bomb on us: the current production barrels are much wider at the chamber than
the one on our development shotgun.
So we have gone back to the drawing board.
Since the SHOT Show, we have had a number of other priorities in front of FCAM development (not least,
shipping lots of orders), but very shortly we intend to dust off the protos and first articles and set
about resolving the issues and finalizing the design.
Here is what we have today (and what we hid under the table at the SHOT Show):
The nylon grip allows a comfortable familiar hold on the forend.
What isn't visible in these photos is our SureShell shotshell carrier system. The FCAM will be available
without the integrated SureShell, or with 6- and 8-shot SureShell. The bracket would be integrated with
the top rail, and the shells would mount along the left side of the receiver.
You will also be able to purchase SureShell carriers for the sides of the forend of the FCAM. This is not
illustrated either, but operators who choose this configuration will probably want to use the ventral rail
with a vertical grip instead of the nylon grip:
Note that this configuration probably violates 922®.
The side rails are removable and can be installed on either side (or both sides). The FCAM will ship with
a 7.5" ventral rail and a 3.5" side rail. Additional rails are available, including a 5.5" rail. The
ventral rail can also be installed on the side, if desired.
So no word yet as to when we will be shipping these. The MSRP is still supposed to be between $350 for a
basic assembly to $415 or so for one with an 8-shot SureShell.
By the way, this weekend we are taking this push-button sling loop mount to show to the Marines:
[ 04-07-2006, 02:50 PM: Message edited by: Mesa Tactical ]
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You have a lot more notches than our recoil tube has. I suspect they are for the intermediate position settings.
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The 6-shot SureShell for Benelli M4 (and the 4-shot too) is waiting on brackets. We didn't machine enough on the first go and have been waiting for a new extrusion to get them back into production. Machining will be completed this week and w'll need another three or four weeks for anodizing.
The shells are secured by a Santoprene tube that holds them pretty securely. Depending on how much you bounce around, you should be able to load the shells brass down.
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Swanky:
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Collapsing stock needs a specialized recoil spring tube with notches in the proper place.
Benelli USA just sent us a collapsing stock. It's two pieces, a pistol grip and the butt assembly. The pistol grip goes on just like the full-length stock. The buttstock assembly slides over the recoil spring tube, which with our standard pistol grip stock M4 was already notched for the buttstock in the rearmost position, with no collapsing.
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Thank you for the message.
Generally, with our product developments we try to improve upon what is already available. What you are asking for is a Burnsed loop for an HK style hook for the Benelli platforms. Daniel Defense, GG&G and probably a few others are already making a number of Burnsed loops for different platforms. You might get what you want a lot more quickly by taking your request to Daniel Defense or GG&G. After all, it would be fairly trivial to modify a 1-1/4" Burnsed loop design to work with an HK hook.
I'm not sure Mesa Tactical will be in the Burnsed loop business any time soon.
Picked up a new M4 (11707)
in Benelli
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