SgtCathy
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I also use a Remington 11-87 in 20 gauge when I hunt Quail by myself. It has the English straight stock and short barrel. Use cheapy 7+1/2 shot with a Imp Cylinder choke.
When I with friends or I know there may be many hunters in the area, I use A Browning Citori Upland Special in 20 gauge. It has a straight English stock with short barrels . I have it set up with an Imp Cylinder on the top barrel and full choke on the lower barrel. I shoot top barrel first. This combination of choke has been a winner for me for many years. I use the Citori O/U with other folkks around for two reasons. First, I would like to pretend I'm a really "cool" Quail hunter using a "double" shotgun. And secondly, sometimes you stop and chat with everybody. You just have to compare shotguns, discuss hunting strategies, shot pellet size, chokes, brag about some awesome next to impossible shot you made that day and other neat stuff, and it's easier just to break open a double ( for safety) while you chat.
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Hi BlackPowder1 ...
Went back to the first page and yes, you did start this thread. My sincere apologies. No doubt I will be receiving an e-mail from the forum Etiquette Police, very soon. My Bad :-(
As for the question "leave cocked or decock" after using a weapon. In my case, when I put a weapon away in the gun safe I always dry fire (decock) the weapon. Why? Two reasons. First, it's an extra safety step to insure that the weapon doesn't have a round in the chamber (check magazine, check chamber, dry-fire). Secondly, I do this because when I was fourteen, I had several older men, (that couldn't figure out why a girl wanted to learn about firearms), screaming at me to do it that way. It may sound like a cheesy reason, but I figured these guys were all W*** vets and knew a lot more than me. Now that I'm an official "elderly person" and those gentlemen have all passed away, I can still see and hear them pounding that lesson (there were many lessons) into me.
One last thought. I had a great day in the Quail fields this afternoon, including a double !! YIPPEE
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Yes, I understood the basic point. The manual is confusing. Have you received a manual from Smith & Wesson or Auto-Ordnance on how to take down and re-assemble their semi-automatics? Lot's of luck with those. But basic gun knowledge will win through the day and get your weapons working again. Knowing that a cartridge drop lever, is just that - a cartridge drop lever, will keep you safe and alive. Basic gun knowledge. I have a large box full of gun manuals with glaring mistakes in all of them. Perhaps if you were to write Benelli a polite letter, they may alter the wording in the manual to be less confusing. It could happen! In the mean time, basic firearms mechanics, will keep you safe. And, that was my point.
The thread that you posted most likely saved a few folks from blowing off their foot (or worse). You're well on your way to becoming a knowledgeable gun owner. Always question authority and never believe everything you read.
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You folks are READING way to much into a simple operation. The M4 is a weapon not a toy that you can play with all day in your living room and make it do all kinds of fun and silly stuff.
As a weapon, it's meant to be fired (for real). When you pull the trigger, the hammer drops, the cartridge drop lever goes up. IF, the M4 had a live round in the chamber, it will be ejected, the hammer will be recocked and the cartridge drop lever will go back down (be visible). IF, the M4 was not loaded with a live round, the hammer will still drop and the cartridge lever will go up (out of sight). This is callled DRY FIRING. When actually shooting the M4, after the last round, the chamber stays open. The manual is written as if you are on the range and shooting the weapon.
I'll say that 99 % of semi-automatics shotguns operate in this manner even if a cartridge drop lever is visible or not (such as in Remy 1100's or 11-87's or A-5's). This is basic gun school not rocket science. Come on guys....geez !!!!
To make things more simple and to hopefully avoid accidental shootings, remember this. If your weapon does not actually have a lever "named" a decocking lever, such as in a Berretta 92F pistol, and provided your weapon has been safely unloaded, until you have pulled the trigger, released the sear and the hammer drops, you have a live weapon, ready to shoot , kill or maim.
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If you drop it on the ground, you'll never find it again. Not a good thing if you're already pre-occupied with a 200 pound enemy soldier who is also looking for his knife. Not every thing you carry should be in camo. Sorry, I need to go old school with this item.
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Oh My God !!!! Do I see a 20 guage hiding in their?? Second up from the bottom... errr.... second one in from the left photo
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Bought my H+K imported Benelli M1 Super 90 in Defense/Police Configuration back in 1986. I guess that makes my Benelli one of the Kings guards to the SAFE QUEEN !!
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Wow, I think somebody got up on the wrong side of their Benelli (CWP147). Duggan and M1014 are just two old tough birds sitting in the park playing chess and hurling insults back and forth and loving every second of it.
On Friday last week, dropped my little 20 guage Monty on the ground (darn little stumps) and it picked up a nice coat of mud and leaves. But some Benelli's are soilders working the Quail fields and others live the life of a "Safe Queen" protected against all the elements with their beautiful red velvet coverings. Long Live The Queen!
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It's a Remington 1100 in 10 guage...
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Here in good all Taxachusetts, the 12 guage rules on deer. Don't know anybody that uses a 20 guage. Quite a few bow hunters and black powder is catching on pretty good.
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I have a short stock little Monty in 20 guage that I have used on Quail, Grouse and Pheasants for years. Normally I oil all the insides and wipe most of the oil off but leave just a trace on the grooves inside the chamber that the bolt rides in. Some of the fields I work have very tall dry grass and weeds, so by the end of the afternoon, I'm covered from head to toes with all kinds of debris and all sorts of little things inside the Benelli chamber. However, I have never had my little Monty fail in any way to fire, eject or reload. At the end of the day, I usually wipe the inside of the chamber/bolt area with my finger and I'm ready for the next day. Unless I'm caught in the rain, I clean my Monty only once during the entire season and I go out 3-4 times a week. I also use the cheapest Wally World promo loads in shot size 7+1/2. Have you ever noticed that those promo loads leave a lot of powder gunk inside the chambers? I love my little Monty.
I also have some Remingtons 20 guage semi-autos (1100's +1187's) that need a heavy dose of oil and have been known to jam up when I get to much leaves/sticks and other debris in them. Grouse hunting in heavy cover tends to attract a lot of stuff. My Remington Field grade 1100 in .410 also needs a healthy dose of oil.
My two Brownings are different. My Auto-5 in 20 guage gets a moderate dose of oil on the outside of the magazine tube where the friction rings grab and my Citori Special Field O/U model in 20 guage, gets one drop on the hinge pin and the rest stays bone dry.
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Quail season opens for me this coming Saturday (Oct 16th). What are some of the shotguns you folks use for your Quail? I start the morning of with a Browning Citori Upland Special, with the English stock, in 20 guage. After a couple of hours, I'll take a break, maybe grab a quick nap. (Don't laugh, those fields and woods seem to get longer and bigger every year). Then spend the rest of the day with my little short stock Monty in 20 guage. I use the promo shotshells from Wally-World either Remington or Winchester in 7+1/2 shot. That little Monty just loves those cheapy shells. Four more days until Saturday !!
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I hope most of our readers realize that posts (like those from last weekend) mostly are from bored college boys just trying to get a rise out of folks, and not real anti-american types. I was not offended by the graphic pictures (been there, done that) and some of the picture cartoon replies were funny. I'm sure some 19 year old sitting in his dorm room, using his laptop, sipping beer with his buddies, and desperately trying to sound like an dedicated Muslim, were also getting a good laugh.
They're have been weekend post in the past that have included swearing, serious ethic slander and straight out physical threats against other forum members. Not to mention photo-shopped nude pictures of selected forum members (I still have vision problems and nightmares). These do not belong on a great site such as this.
The weekend moderator idea gets two thumbs up from me.
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I have one of the early imported H&K M1 S90 Benelli's in "Defense Configuration". All black, pistol grip, rifle sights, 7+1 rounds.... designed for 2+3/4" and 3" shells. Bought this fantastic Benelli back in 1986 along with the 28" ribbed barrel and 4 chokes.
About the same time I bought an entire case of English 2+1/2" shot shells (shot size #6) from a company in N.H, back before Mass. banned all that sort of stuff.
Spent many afternoons at the skeet range showing off my Benelli by mixing up the shells, 2+1/2 inch plus low brass 2+3/4 inch and high power 2+3/4 inch plus 3 inch magnums. That beautiful Benelli would pump out all 8 rounds in any order with out any hiccups ever. I would shoot from my shoulder, then against my right side, tucked in tight. Not one single failure to fire or feed in all those years.
I've owned that Benelli now for 24 years and although I've read that some people have had issues, especially with the SB II's, you won't hear any complaints from me. So blast away with those English rounds and have fun.
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Actually if they make one with a LOP of 13", I would be very interested. The standard stock of 14+1/4 inches is okay if you're over 6 feet tall. I've seen short Italians but they must not work for Benelli.
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Timb99, mentiond one of the most important things with getting a new shotgun for anybody, man or woman... let them choose the shotgun. Great words of wisdom.
A few years back, I brought a 14 year old young lady to the range for her first try at clay pigeons. With me I had three shotguns, all with 13" LOP's. First was a Remington 1100 gas gun in 20 guage followed by a Remington 11-87 gas gun in 20 guage with the English straight stock (Upland field model) and finally an older Browning over/under Citori in 20 guage also with the English straight stock (Upland Special).
She did good with the Remington 1100, and much better with the Remy 11-87 with the English stock. Near the end of the afternoon, I handed her the little Browning over/under. Needless to say, this gun would have the most kick. Wish I had a picture of when I handed the shotgun to her. Love at first sight. Every thing about the Browning seemed perfect to her (It is a beautiful little shotgun!). Ten clay pigeons later, three turning into a black dust cloud, and she was sold. On the way back to her home, she asked me if she could show the Browning to her parents.
So, if you can, have her try a few different guns and like Timb99 said, let her choose.
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If your choice has to be a Benelli, I would suggest a 12 guage Monte with wood stock. Have her length of pull (POL) checked by a gnsmith and the stock cut to fit her. My guess would be a LOP of 13" as I'm 5'5" and have short arms. Have the gunsmith also install a soft recoil pad. Personally, I use a short stock Monty (LOP 12+1/2 inches) in 20 guage. But then the birds I hunt flush at my feet so I don't need something you can hit Pheasants at 60 yards with, plus the tiny light weight Monte is a dream to carry through the fields and woods all day. All my Remington gas guns (1100's and 11-87's) have LOP's of 13" and are easy on the shoulder. If by chance you decide not to get a benelli, I would suggest a quality gas gun cut down to her LOP with as nice recoil pad. Oh, NO magnums, especially 3+1/2 inch guns. One blast from one of those guns and she'll be back in the garden club sipping tea with the girls, and you don't want that :-)
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How about a Winchester Model 59 in 14 guage? It's a three shot semi-auto made back in the 1960's. They are collectors items although their are a few online companies that can provide reloading supples and empty cases.
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I live in Taxachusetts which loves to make many new gun laws every year. So, although I don't want to break any laws, I still want to protect myself in an emergency such as a break-in during the middle of the night.
My weapons must be secured in a safe or with an approved trigger lock at all times when not in actual use and ammunition must be stored away from the weapons. Sleeping with a loaded weapon nearby is a major offense. You have just violated two laws.
When the police finally show up and provided I'm still alive, it's going to be very difficult to explain how I instantly acquired a fully loaded M1 S90, 12 guage. My S&W .45 auto pistol on the other hand is easy. The clip was in my bedstand and the pistol in a quick release box bolted to my bed frame. I'll be arrested anyhow because the bad guys have far more rights in my state that I could ever dream of, plus it will take the local D.A about a month to decide if how I stored my .45 was legal or not. Then it will take another 6-12 months for a grand jury to decide if I will be charged with murder. After all, glory be, you can't be having civilians killing armed, masked home invaders now can we?
I need to move to another state :-(
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http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/FRAG%2012.pdf
Here's an article from a few years ago. In addition, standard military grade 00 buck shot (sealed primer and case mouth) plus powdered lead for specialized breaching applications. The USMC adapts quickly and doesn't wait until a war is over for 20 years to effect new ammunition. The Army has a few (Viet Nam era) shotguns tucked away in MP armories scatttered around the USA and the Air Force just doesn't believe in those mean, ugly shotgun things. It's up to leathernecks to show our armed forces the way with new shooting systems and ammunition!
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Who needs a gas or inertia gun when you own a JC Higgins bolt action shotgun in 16 guage with a full 28" barrel with full choke and holding 7 rounds in the long magazine tube. When I was 16, I dropped a Dove at the length of two high power line poles (90+ yards?) with that 10 pound JC Higgins. Okay, okay, so the bird heard the blast and died of fright. That old JC Higgins would be the perfect turkey and goose blaster ever!
Where was I? Oh yea. I have owned so many gas operated shotguns and recoil types (mostly A-5's and Remy 1100's and 11-87's) and even a couple of inertia types. Then there was that weird shotgun from Canada with the fiberlass twisted barrel (think damascus). It looked like an A-5, only the charging handle was actually a bolt you pushed in to lock the mechanism. After firing the shotgun, you pulled out the bolt and pulled it straight back (ejecting the spent shell) and then pushed the bolt forward (loading a fresh round from the magazine), pushed the bolt back into lock position and you were ready for the second shot. It actually shot faster than it sounds. Not sure if that shotgun qualifies as a bolt action or single shot semi-automatic?
What was the topic again? Yes, Hoppe's 9 is incredibly foul smelling and only newbies use that stuff because it comes in every brand new $4.98 shotgun combo cleaning kit.
I hope all our readers realize, that in gas operated firearms, be it rifles or shotguns, the projectile has already left the building (like Elvis) before the gas mechanizm begins to do it's work. Now, all you guys with science degrees and slide rulers, prove me wrong.
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Some very good ideas about safety and securing a safe have been mentioned. In my case, I rent an apartment with wall-to-wall carpeting and solid cement floors under the carpet. Management will not permit me to rip up the carpeting and drill/install large bolts into the foundation.
It took two grown men using dollies to place my safe and even then it was quite a difficult job due to dimensions of doors and hallways.
Everybodies security concerns are different and in my case theft caused by druggies, teenagers and burglars looking for quick items to pawn, are the norm. I have a quality safe and tipping it over would require an extremely strong person. It stands over 5 feet tall and currently weighs around 1,000 pounds. If you are a professional safe cracker or part of a crew of men using dollies and a lift truck, have at it. My safe is yours. However, if you're a typical punk, druggy or burlar looking for drugs or things to pawn, my safe will just be a frustration.
This is all considering you have the good sense to break in when I'm not home. Otherwise, you will have to deal with the size and weight of my safe and my .45 automatic. My apartment, has in the past, suffered some flooding due to burst water pipes and the 4 x 4's it sits upon have kept it dry and high, which was the main focus of this post. I will yield my safe to the HULK or SUPERMAN, should they decide to appear.
I'm sure there are readers that have safes bolted to floors with muti- alarm systems, heat/motion sensors and electrified fence. But let's face it, two of my friends have gun safes, the rest just place firearms in the corner of a closet (no thief ever looks in closets).
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Don't be fooled. It's all photoshop !!!!!