KoolBreeze

^^ i think thats funny how they jumped all over you (No offence) ……but anyway I didn’t start this thread to bicker like little old ladies, I love my Cordoba. There was just something on my local news last night brining up the idea of making my hunting area “shotgun only”. This about 2 weeks after I buy a cordoba…go figure Well anyway the Cordoba is a great firearm but again I really wish it had a slug option I :heart the internet. so the "shotgun only" is now spreading to wisconsin? bummer. I remember growing up in PA talking smack about the issues Ohio had on that subject. Of course it just added more justification to the title "flatlanders" many had coined for our neighbors.

great idea and tks for the link. I knew the czech site of CZ offers variations on their firearms (and no listed shotgun options since those are actually made by a different manufacturer) not found on the USA site also so I'll have to czech it out. and while I was curious about the "US" market, now I'm a bit curious about the foreign/european one. I was under the impression many parts of the world had rather limiting legislation on firearms that would in turn limit the market.

I hate you now.

meh. it's the internet and while I have more "respect" for you than tucker so far I have to say you'll have a rough time on forums if you take some of these people that seriously. he's bringing the rage intentionally and just playing with your emotions. most often done when other arguements fail. edit: oopsie. I :owned self by not checking the dates on that thread prior to posting. [ 11-08-2005, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: KoolBreeze ]

what is especially nice in this day and age is a public "forum" to bring up such issues. I am not familiar with this particular one but I do know of others from which manufacturers are swayed because they gain important insight and informantion. this might not be true here, (but also might be. I really just don't know) but it is a good thing and so is the internet overall. prior to this they would have to rely on "professionals" and limited feedback avenues. unless you were a "pro" how would address those lacking features or other issues? write them a letter? great... depending on company and who ended up getting it, those probably ended up on a blind persons desk. seems most changes to firearms were brought about by conversations amongst individuals in the profession and their exposure to the public depended more upon their particular socializing. other than that, it would be bob talking to jim about * over a cup of coffee at the cabin or such. speaking of which... there are some minor improvements that could be made to the benelli website, but they are minimal compared to most of the competition and in general it is well done. (one that sticks out as an example of needing substantial improvement is Brownings. fluff is looking good along with information and substance, but form and product presentation is hurting BADLY)

to be honest I wasn't much under the impression mudhen and others were employees. (much to rude and as such usually not appropriate representatives) you will ALWAYS find "fans" a bit difficult at times regarding their object de amour. it only figures since "fan" is based upon "fanatic. starts to make sense when you realize this. I will say up till the last few lines, I can't find much fault with mudhen's last post. then of course he needs to resort to teh "newb bash" which is a viable trolling tactic but falls far short in this instance. (trolls like tweakers might at times bring slight amusement or momentary distraction from boredom, but in general bring teh suck. and I have seen nothing in his other posts in this thread to believe he is little more than playing troll. meh, too each their own, I find it rather droll) back to "fan".... I am a bit of a Steeler "fan" since I will always root for them regardless of opponent. BUT I will at the same time recognize their weakness and overall capability and not say they are the greatest when otherwise. I have driven Jeeps for a couple decades, having owned a few of them. Fan? meh... tell me how many other SWB convertible 4x4's there are out there and we'll talk about it. it can still be said I am "a bit" of a fan in this regards as it is emotions and not need or logic that drives the desire to own such a vehicle in the first place. I can still identify shortcomings and areas for improvement regardless. these regulars are hanging out on a brand based firearm website. fans? huh, go figure.... I would expect little else. irt mudhens last post: there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism of a company or product. I for one am not "bashing" the brand but identifying and addressing what I consider a viable issue. if not for such things there woule be little room for improvement and why would anything ever change? btw, I've already noticed issues in other brands as you've mentioned and am surprised at some (not all) of the holes there are. I would be interested in market data but only have access to limited voluntary customer questionaire type info. I still say there is a viable market in the 1k-1.4k QUALITY semi-auto field/range cross over and a mixure of cordoba and legacy would be a nice addition. (with a possibility for that RS barrel. hey, had to get it back on topic somewhow )

I am with Tucker and Mudhen. If ya want a field gun get an M2 it has all of the Bells and whistles available that you are looking for. You can get sliug barrels, comfortech etc for it. And best of all it is not ported. just my 2 cents worth on this issue. AND less expensive to boot!!! it really does seem imho that if you don't look "above" the M2 at other lines of benelli shotguns and get enraptured by certain features that one could be satisfied "right there" and look no further. but if one wants MORE then you are left wanting at present IF you desire a particular basic configuration. (such as obtaining field barrel in conjunction with comfortech) like I said previously... the incentive to "upgrade" to a more expensive Benelli seems minimal and the sell difficult if left to features and function. I actually have faith Benelli will recognize the holes currently in basic available configurations (and corresponding marketing) and address them properly. and prosper in doing so.

seems others are adamantly opposed to such a concept, especially due to the "name" Cordoba. (maybe they don't have deer in S. America.) maybe if they offer one for the "Legacy" you can lie and order it saying it's for a Legacy. just don't let this board know, they might send the Cordoba shotgun police out since it's no longer a "high-volume dove gun" at that point.

you never know do you? I don't the exact order and history behind this family but it didn't "stop" with the SII as there is also the SS, Cordoba and even the Legacy. this seems to be where YOU want it to stop. perhaps Benelli should never offer another option, barrel or even shotgun for the rest of time as YOU are satisfied and think enough is enough at present. can you offer a logical arguement why the family should only contain two options with comfortech in conjunciton with ported barrels, one sans comfortech with ported barrel and one sans comfortech with non-ported barrel and yet NOT one with comfortech with a non-ported barrel option? but YOU are satisfied with this even though the parts are there and it's a sound option and because YOU are satisfied, the heck with everyone else. (reminiscent of Mr. Ford and the color black.) it's a good thing there's competition or else there wouldn't be "comfortech" in the first place wouldn't you think? or do you prefer the more authoritarian stance that you get what is offered and that's it? that IS the stance you have decided to advocate here. The former Soviet Union was pretty much the same and changes came very slow there, perhaps you would prefer the clock be set back so you could emigrate there. Sounds like a rather good fit. Me? I think there's a good chance (as noted in my post above if you are cabable of paying attention beyond a few short lines of irrelevant banter) the next option will be for a model with field (non-ported) barrels AND comfortech. if I'm wrong, so be it, time will tell and if so Benelli's missing an option for an upgrade over the M2 family that would provide additional competition for that market. (yes there's a market for quality $1k-$1.5k semi-autos both field and range capable) I'm still curious if anyone reading this has the knowledge to answer my questions concerning Legacy and Cordoba compatability. that would be a start in the "right" direction IMHO.

"get over it"? your post was fine up until that point, but then you just HAD to get personal. (well maybe not fine since you were basically being insultive by calling the other persons inquiry "silly".) regardless of me "getting over it", Cordoba is a single option in a family of shotguns. ranging from the Legacy (with the barrel I would want btw) to the Supersport. skipping the issue that many have against the concept of adding a RS barrel to the family I am still going to say they should allow for a few optional configurations. if you or others don't agree, peachy keen n fine and dandy BUT I still will stick to the issue and present logical arguements, if this drives others to emotional states requiring insults and name calling so be it, knock yourself out I have a thick skin and brush that off as coming from those who can't address logical arguements. many, perhaps including yourself and mudhen, may at times recognize an area where improvement can be made in a certain area. nobody and nothing is perfect and I believe I've stumbled upon an area that could be addressed. If you or mudhen ever notice such a thing in an area I have more experience with and address it (somewhere else on the internet) and I disagree I will attempt to discuss it with you without resorting to name calling or such. for instance.... in the family that is "Legacy, SII, Cordoba and SS", where is the option for a non-compensated field barrel along with Comfortech? they've determined there is room in the family for a field gun (the legacy) and a cross over (Cordoba) along with range guns (SS and SII) yet no option currently offers a field barrel with confortech. (that I know of at least) I would think that would be a logical next step option. after that one of the next logical steps could be to offer a rs barrel. to that end I wouldn't think a "field and slug" combo would be that bad of an offereing actually "for some". (doesn't have to named after a city in south america either. maybe call it Appalachian or something. haha) if this never happens, so be it. I feel Benelli would miss out "slightly" on a possible market. I say possible since it seems a hard sell getting some to this family from the one containing the M2 in the first place as I mentioned previously. perhaps you more knowledgable folks can help me with this.... is it possible to fit the non-ported Legacys field barrel to the cordoba? I don't know if they needed to tune the action to compensate for the ported barrels or if the ported barrels are reduced in diameter themselves to accomplish this. I am assuming the barrels are since the extended criochokes fit only the SS, SII and Cordoba. this may then be an option "for me" since I can then use a Briley extended choke. (don't even know if they make them for the SS, SII and Cordoba "only" barrels) or perhaps the comfortech stock and forearm can be fitted to the Legacy instead? anyway, when you start looking at the bigger picture of the "family" the originators question of asking about a slug barrell for a particular member of the family that specificaly is being marketed as a high-volume dove gun may not seem such a ridiculous notion. [ 11-07-2005, 08:52 PM: Message edited by: KoolBreeze ]

your rudeness is reflective of your inability to properly address the issue. I'm certainly glad you don't represent the brand and only yourself.

excellent. basically right on that 15yr mark I initially inquired about. I've "heard" about issues surrounding parts availabilty of various manufacturers, but usually more disinformation will be negative than positive (unless coming from an interested or invested party of course) naturally one confirmed negative will outweigh a positive, but this is only a given. (how many "that a boy's" does it take to counter a "you ^&*$%#!!!"?) perhaps it'll be best for me to do some undercover detective work off line to determine this. now THAT will be fishing. oops, forgot the term was trolling. meh, there's an association in there somewhere.

if it's no fun, it's work. and even working I prefer to have fun. trolling has always appeared as a rather boring pastime and I'm not usually impressed by that particular sport so while you might feel like a fish I would prefer to discuss the issue at hand. back to the barrel availability of the family of benelli's that is "supersport, sport II and cordoba"... "marketing" was brought up as was a comparison to another benelli family that contains the M2. lets take that a bit further... sell me a M2. go ahead, sell me a M2. I know I could easily "sell" the M2 on function and features, I am just asking for you and others to recognize the selling points of the M2. now sell me on an "upgrade" to the Cordoba limited to features and function. still possible, but it could very well end up being more an emotional appeal than based upon a value placed on the features and function. and limiting factors such as barrel availability is, well "limiting" you don't seem to understand or "agree with" this irt this ONE particular family yet you DO with the other? you're saying they should need to select the other family even though some will prefer this one and I don't get why you seem to advocate the limiting of their choices. (at least we're not talking about balck fords and this isn't the 20's) as the other family suggests, I feel there is a market for additional variations within this family and if you don't then that's your opinion while this is mine. I see nothing "marginal" in their endorsement. how do you qualify your statement in that regards? anyway... how about selling me a M2 then when I ask about that cordoba, sell me on that instead.

I understand the concepts you expose but prefer the one family over the other. the "name" seems more a marketing issue and I am a bit curious why Cordoba is shown seperate from SS and SII on the website. regardless of whether the rs barrel is an issue to you or I for some it is relevant and I appreciate the concern. I've seen the subject and comparison of cordova being approx $400 more than the M2 and whether the differences warrant the extra cost. to me they do and are justifiable, but when the subject of overall barrel availabilty is brought up then the more pricey starts to loose ground. interestingly "for me", although the differences are indeed justifiable (in favor of the cordova/sII family) my main appreciation is NOT related to the justifications but the feel and cosmetics. even rs barrel availablity "for me" is mostly irrelevant (I'd be more interested in a 26" barrel option for upland game use) but it is still appreciated and now one has to justify not only the differences but make snobery a part of the equation. perhaps this is a selling point that could be utilized also... personally I would prefer to forego such a line and instead have the additional barrel availability.

what makes you think your gonna be alive in the next second????????? even though your personal issues have nothing to do with my legitimate question, more than a second has transpired and here I am. so.... anybody out there have a 15 or 20yr old benelli that has checked on parts availability?