stoenggi

Ok, thank you. That seems to be a pretty cool system. I hope I can find a dealer that is allowed to export to Switzerland... edith: What about the precission? Is there no affect due to reduced or changed barrel vibrancy? [ 06-14-2006, 03:02 PM: Message edited by: stoenggi ]

Very nice! I'm thinking about buying a new SIG P226 X-Five Tactical SA/DA in 9mm para this summer Is the picantinny rail mountet straight to the barrel or on this bigger ring which holds the barrel and magazine up togheter? I'm just asking because I'd like to mount a surefire on my M4 but the whole rifle must still be easily detachable for cleaning without removing any rails.

Just got my M4. I haven't shoot yet but it will follow very soon. As far, I'm very happy with!

@TRG-42 No, you didn't confuse me. I have allready knowed that there is not only one SWAT Team but county/city polices have their own SWAT Teams. But it was new to me that every SWAT Team is also evaluating their own weapons. I thought that there is a kind of a committee what is evaluating the Weapons for all SWAT Teams in the USA. I read a text somwhere on the Internet where the M4 wasn't that successful in an evaluating test by a SWAT Team. Unfortunately, I can't remember or find the text again to post it here. But it made me cynical about the M4. However, I can't have realised all my wishes in one gun so after your tips here I think I'll go for the M4 with the collapsible stock.

I just saw that now the Nova and Super Nova are also available with the telescopic stock. Nice Sad that this issue is not also delivered for the M3T. However, I wan't go with rifle sights but I need a compact weapon for army duty. That's only possible with the M4. Maybe there will be a kind of a tunig kit in a few years (easier spring) which will also allow semi-autoamatic use with non lethal ammunition. I assume that was the killing argument for SWAT concerning the M4. Does anybody know more about the fact that SWAT wan't go with the M4? What where the reasons for? And thank your for the hint with the recoil. I don't think that I'll use the M4 for hunting but in CQC in the Army or even at IPSC shootings and I don't think that I'll get a solid hold all the time.

looks definitly hot... Which model is it and which modifications were made?

@M1014 You are right... but here in Switzerland, such guns aren't that cheap an I'd like to with the right weapon... @TRG-42 Are on the M3T also drilled holes which are allowing me mounting a Picantinny Rail for using electronic sights such as Trijicon or Aimpoint? Is the M3T only available with the standard (open rifle) sights or also with ghost sight (important when not using the electronic sights).

Ok, thank you for your thoughts. I need to go with non lethal / less lethal ammunition for one reason: It's prohibited by law (in Switzerland) to shoot a BG as long as I wasn't threatened by my own life. But it's ok to hold of the BG until the Police arrives. Therefore I can use some violence -> less/non lethal ammunition is the way to go without the need of an infight (you never now if there is a nive in his pocket...). As soon as the BG has a Gun or Knive in his hands, I could shoot him but even then it's much better to stop him with a few well placed rubber shots. IF he's really wearing a gun and he is resistant to the rubber shells, I can go with my backup weapon which is loaded with 9mm para. Definitly confusing to me was that SWAT wasn't going with the M4. Unfortunately I coulnd't find any reason why they where not going with the M4 on the Internet but it opened my eyes for possible problems with the M4. Does anybody here have the testing results from SWAT and the US Marines and Navy Seals why thy (don't) go with the M4? Would be very interessting to me.

Hi Folks Except to my time on duty in the Swiss Army, I never used a pump-gun, so my experience is very little. Now I'm going to buy a semi-automatic pump-gun. Due to high quality (I read several tests about pump guns and semi-automatic pump guns) I'm going with a Benelli but I can't decide if a M3 or M4 would be better for me. Unfortunately, I have no possibility to shoot the two weapons for a comparison What will be the use/reason to buy the weapon? 1. Home-Defense. Therefore, I'll use non lethal ammunition (rubber shots). Live Side-Arm (SigSauer P220) is available. 2. Later on this or next year: It's highly possible that I'll beginn in competing in IPSC shooting. 3. Use in the active duty in the army under all conditions (CQC, Door-Opening, etc). Now, my pros and cons: M4 Pros: -Collapseble Stock -Ghost Sight -Picantinny Rail for use with sights -Accepts all kinds of ammunition size (3" and 2 ¾") w/o adjusting the whole gun (is that information really correct?) -Additional parts such as IR Pointer and/or Flashlights aren't affecting the proper function of the weapon -very robust M4 Cons: -Not able to repeat non lethal ammunition -Tends to be fragile (read discussions here about broken parts) Is the weapon that more fragile against remainder that a mechanical system? The Sig SG 550 has no problems concerning that topic, however it's not a pump gun. M3T Pros: -usable also as pump-gun for non-lethal ammunition -shorter than the collapseble stock of the M4 -cheaper M3T cons: -No Picantinny Rail -fragile to additinal parts (IR Pointer, Flashlight, Sights) -Standard Sights (no Ghost Ring) Last but not least a few questions: -Are both types, the M3T and M4 ok for IPSC shootings? Is one better over the other in such competitions? -Although the M4 is gas operated (ARGO), I assume that the bolt is moved in its closed position by a spring. Is there a possibility to change that spring versus a weaker one to allow using non leathal ammunition? [ 04-10-2006, 04:50 PM: Message edited by: stoenggi ]