birdman70

Awesome....then you are agreeing with me. If yo want to buy a Benelli with the intention of getting another barrell..go shop somewhere else....thanks man....i appreciate the support.....and thanks for helping to spread the word to everyone who wants that option...to run hard and fast away from benelli. Cheers!

yes...it does mean they wuld have to stock barrells for every gun....OMG...do you know what you are writing...are you suggesting they don't?......Do you realize that you are supporting them not to support you.....if their customers aren't worth it to them...then they aren't worth it to you! You damn well better expect that they stock barrells for each and everyone of their offerings.....and if you even want to give them a break....they don't have one..nothing...not one size that supports the new APG scheme.....notta.

i'm happy as **** that you love your benelli....i really am...i'm sure i will love my slug m2.....but....here is the point again.... their apg models in all of their platforms have been an example of one of the poorest new product launches in the inudstry....the guns are great...just never...ever buy a new product launch....in fact...i'm suggesting that whenever benelli comes out with a new gun...wait about a year to two years for their operations to catch up with them....remember...there are no extra barrells...they launched an entire apg platform with no support...none at all..no one has answers..not even the retailers that they work very hard on selling their skews...it is awful...and the benelli is great ego will catch up to them....it will...trust me...

that there are many other great guns on the market...who do care about that "one dude" because they know..because they are true leaders...that one dude matters...each and everyone of their customers....and maybe...just maybe ..that one dude refects the views of many....as well as their buyers....as well as the people in this forum who have written me personally an have agreed....

is why i started this whole thing out with saying...there are many on here drunk on the benelli kool aide...you deny facts... Benelli is a good gun....but it is not the option for anyone ....not one soul....who is considering a purchase of a gun with multiple barrells. THEY SUCK!!!! When it comes to that offering. In fact, it is unethical and absolutely wrong. Their ads should clearly say, when you are buying this gun, please be warned that you may never see the barrell that you want or want to add ....consider this option the one that you will live with ....forever.....

no stores can stock the barrells because they do not exist...they have not ...been manufactured...and they don't know when...nope....notta.....ain't happening....no barrellrooskie...they launched the m2 apg platform with nothing to back up the platform...nothing...no barrells...not one....and guess what....cabellas called benelli and they said the will absolutely have three options....little did anyone know....that benelli was thinking for my grand children.....not sure why you are defending...it is ok....i know you love your benelli....it looks cool...cool to tell your buddies...but guess what....their barrell situation is the worst in the industry...and for those...those few, according to you, that like to have add on barrells...benelli is not for them....benelli should just say...you buy what you get..no options...because they piss off more customers then you think....so...my message is for everyone....and frankly...i dont give a **** how many...who is looking to buy a gun and have one that is versatile with multiple barrells.....DO NOT BUY A BENELLI....DO NOT BUY A BENELLI...THEY ARE A MESS WHEN IT COMES TO THAT OFFERING. Everyone agrees on this...most in this forum thread have agreed that Benelli takes forever...and many wait and wait and wait...and wait...and wait....and in my case....i have no clue when they will even be manufactured in Italy. So, enough said. Quite frankly, I think that there are many out there left stranded....the Benelli Barrelless.....the few....the unproud....the angry.

no offense, but you did not read the posts....as they are long..i can understand that....here is the deal....very short... the reason the dealer doesn't have the barrells is because Benelli hasn't even manufactured them. And, come on, you are telling me that 1 in 1000 gun owners don't switch up barrells? Are you serious? I can tell you that it is the opposite....many do....but ...wait...i take that back..on here...probably many don't because you can't.....

this has nothing at all to do with the retailer...nothing.

i have a better deal yet...why don't I just give you the brand new gun and i'll even throw in a replacement benelli blowup doll since I'm sure you two have completely worn out a few already...and ...i'll move on...and wake up next to the real thing.....deal? come on...i know you two are licking your chops at the thought of it...yah....those bald foreheads of yours are starting to sweat at the thought of it....mmmmmmm......tasty huh.....yah...she is fully full of air....a nice tight body....she doesn't talk back to you....she stares into your eyes....no substance...all appearance...yah ....yah....there you go....come one...deal?

understand your point of view...money...etc...worth the wait....i would be ok with that if i'm told or at least lied to about when it can be expected....so i can plan....instead...it has been nothing but a back and forth...not giving answers...everyone being confused....and i'm damn positive i'm not the only one who has been misinformed and been wrongly sucked into a gun platform that was not ready for the market...and the bottom line...i dont think it is worth the wait....not at all.

FOR SALE: BRAND NEW M2 FEILD WITH STUNNING APG SCHEME - 12 ga. M2 Feild with the hard to get APG Scheme, new on market, but guaranteed to dazzle all onlookers and disappear in the woods - Oh, by the way, it is a M2 field with slug barrell. I have some emails from customer service that tells me that the bird barrells will be manufactured some day.... - But, hey,this gun kicks ass....and is a real slugger. This gun is born a slug gun, and will only be that. Raw beast of a slug gun. You don't need a fowl barrell. Go buy another gun for that. It is fun buying guns. Here is another one to buy. - Let me know if you are interested, i can send you the customer service email and explanation along with the parts company that you can call when additional barrells can actually be ordered, because if you call now they say it is not availabe...at least today..but someday..it will be....so when that day comes....hey baby...you are a slug hero...a sluggomeister....go slug away my slugging friend...come and get it.

i have accomplished what i set out to do....i now have a forum of ambassadors who will think twice before selling one on the promise of a banelli, especially with barrels...and more especially with new product launches. i now have retailers who will not sell on hope...or common sense that a bird barrell would be easier to get in the post sell. Not true. What i haven't accomplished is know when it will be available. i like guns. I wanted to have a new one for turkey. Now that I can't use my Benelli, or at least it seems, I will go buy one..probably today....i'm in the mood. And the point ends here, I now have a very bad taste that could have been resolved with Benelli, not the retailer, telling me when the barrells will even be manufacutred and available through the retailer. What I buy today will not be a Benelli. Hey, you know what, I guess Benelli's philosphy works. Raise the tide of sales for everyone. I'm off.

ok...wasn't talking about demographics..but in a earlier post...the comment was made that my frustration was born out of not being able to afford it..the truth is..i am. I too have billionaire friends. Who the @#@$ cares. The point is this...the retailer is put in a position to sell guns that are on the shelf. They should not have ever put that gun on the shelf knowing that this will lead to frustration. Also, if this has been going on for 20 years, don't you think that Benelli would have worked very hard to make sure retailers are in fact informed. No, they don't because they want to sell guns to uninformed. It just a shame that so much research has to go into buying a gun, in fear of making a poor decision. Also, you asked me to go ahead and order it. The fact is you can't. It hasn't been manufactured. I understand retail, and also understand customer service. I spoke with gunsmiths...not the freckled masturbating type. All I am saying is that the APG isn't ready for launch. And, for those considering this scheme, stay away...unless..you don't need barrells...because they aren't even saying months..they do not know. And yes, I do take customer feedback to heart. I listen, rationalize and learn. If you are saying they haven't cared for 20 years...then...my friend...that isn't right. And, if as you say, post barrells aren't in big need...then why don't you think they could have put together a better communications plan supporting their launches. And, I do find it hard to believe because both Cabellas and Gander Mountain both said that that is the biggest selling point to their customers....how fast...and if they can...get barrells. The truth is...i will enjoy the slug m2. The other truth is I don't know when i can enjoy the fowl m2. So, if you put yourselves in my shoes...with bird seasons approaching fast.....is ....hmmmmm....go back to the gun collection and use another gun...fine....just a bummer that i'm in a situation because of, as you say, Benelli's careless attitude towards post barrells. As you said, it is just part of the Benelli culture...accept it...and move on. The reason for my post is that many do not have the time to research..me...being one of them...we go into stores....like what we see...and buy. I did ....to a certain level..as I shopped many stores. And, you are right, I was a fool..I admit it...for not listening to their advice..the barrell situation is insane, but was given hope that i could get a post barrell in a fowl version....and ...guess what....they aren't even made yet....and they can't even tell me when...so...whatever....i guess....with that kind of attitude....there will be another 20 years of bitching....so get used to it...i guess...that benelli blowup doll isn't bad looking...i can get used to her....

for those of you who are sickened by this and have emailed, i've written Realtree a message asking them if they have any insight as to what happened here and if there are barrells in sight..especially the longer ones. for those who may not know, they are the ones with the APG scheme and licensed it to benelli to use on their guns. i'll keep you posted.

benelli is a great gun..but not if you want additional barrells...cant get them ....especially the apg....stay away from it...but....a great gun.

to protect the privacy of the person who sent me this email..but this sums it up...i copied the text of the email.. Sorry that you have had such a rough time.This forum is full of turds that are going to try to make you look like a moron.Just thought I'd tell you in advance.Don't let the bastards get you down! Again, not trying to pick a fight with the benelli fanatics...but...just accept the truth...great gun..if you don't need additional barrells. also, the truth is that everyone of you who cares about Benelli...just tell your friends to stay away from the APG...they are not ready yet...that is all..the simple truth. And if you want to protect Benelli, write them and tell them that they should take APG off the shelves until they are ready.

just doing my job to question what the person is buying...and making them aware of the barrell situation...again...it is a good gun..but just don't expect to have additional barrells for the gun within your lifetime..if you want it as a keepsake....and a gun to pass on to those children or grandchildren..they may get what you thought u were getting ..additional barrells...because they may be ready by then....but ...the gun u have now..it is a good gun....

....i would have been happy if Benelli would just tell me when I can expect to have access to the barrell....wheter it through a retailer...a special order..whatever...instead the answer is....."?" you are damn right i'm pissed...

again, you are missing the point (or just avoiding the conversation like a cool Hummer owner avoids conversations of gasoline prices))...this is not about money (not bragging or having an ego...but I am the founder of a 25 million dollar company and quite frankly can buy a benelli for every species on the planet), and it is not about the retailer at all. This is clearly about when Benelli...the company...brings a product to the market that they have the back up so customers are not left in the cold. They need to and should only bring products to market when they are ready. The retailers you refer to are all good retailers..national...and I've been a customer of theirs for years....because I'm an avid hunter. Some of them are friends. Some of you...and I repeat only some of you....are really losing the message here. Many of you have sent me personal emails on here ...from this forum .... that they agree..that Benelli is Bad Business. Any takers on the M2? No. Because everyone here knows the story about Benelli....it is the same old tune..that I've now come to understand that should be titled, "Benelli Barrelless" or the "some" of you who go to bed with the promise it's Jessica Alba but wake up to Benelli the blow up doll. They do not have the substance. I know it hurts some of you...so much money invested...it is part of a lifestyle...and the truth hurts....however....with some of my "spare" time, I"m having some of my designers here put up a website that will actually track how many days that the gun I have will have to wait until it gets its barrell. On that website, I will have intervention for those who have been Benelli Banboozled...and we can again ...help you find your center...once the site is up.....i will post it on here...should only take about 10 days...with the many emails I've received supporting this cause...i will be posting their comments as well... Again, this is not about if Benelli builds a great gun. They do. So you all can keep those egos in tact. This is about what happens after they build the gun....what happens to the customer. Maybe, I guess...you all have been forced to buy many guns because you couldn't get the barrells....and this "can of worms" (which someone ele posted on here) is just too sensitive...it hurts...salt on an open wound.... you can look at it this way....and i would love to be a part of the positive Benelli...maybe..just maybe...if just one person speaks up about this continuous unfulfilled product lines...that maybe..just maybe..it will stop. Many of you have rallied behind this post privately...maybe..post one your self....it is just a crying shame that the current leaders of Benelli run the company this way....what a great brand..what a great gun...what it used to stand for... when you look back, it stood for a great gun...but also..stood behind its customer....this is not a retailer issue...no one lied....they were honest...they couldnt get answers on the barrell...still cant...they are still trying.... here is my challenge to you....go to any major retailer..and ask about Benelli...look them in the eye...and ask, "hey...what is the scoop on the additional barrells?"

in fact..it doesn't take long by viewing each of your history...that there is an ongoing issue with support that makes the gun....not as atrractive...tucker..for example...you posted this: [quote=tucker301;73886]While there are a few owner's manuals now on the Benelli site, there are still no parts manuals. Franchi, Uberti, and Stoeger manuals are still "coming soon", just as they've been for the last three years. C'mon Benelli, et al. It can't possibly be that hard to PDF these things and get 'em uploaded! Either remove the "coming soon" BS teaser or get the darned things posted! Now, i'm just asking all of you to be honest...to accept the fact that benelli is a poorly run business...

the sorry thing is that it is all too funny...at the expense of the benelli customer...and it is unfortunate that the best response is a joke....in fact hogwild....i have a deal for ya.....i have a brand new m2 field 12 ga. with the brand new ap scheme.....it is for sale....now just don't ask me about when you can get the bird barrells.....tucker....you in? 1,400 slug gun...???? come on? it's a deal...i paid 1,400 just two weeks ago...i'll give it to you for...hmmmm...how about 1,300....i'll bend over again for benelli and discount it....there ya go....i'll throw in free shipping...with the customer service promise of.....hmmmm....well....that the barrell still hasn't been manufactured...which happens in another country...but that is good enough...oh..and i'll send you along witht he gun..the number to the parts company that will sell it to you ...but..of course..only after it has been manufactured and shipped....which...i don't know...maybe by then.....the gun is in a museum...in a nice glass box....with a sign that reads..."the beginning of the end of a great brand."

i...and everyone else buying the ap is being foxed by benelli...it should not even be on the shelves.....that is just poor business hogwild...very poor...i don't care how in love you are with benelli...that is the undeniable truth. I shopped....i went to many retailers..and they all had the same response....and by the way...something is wrong....when you have to convince more than 3 retailers to sell you a benelli...all saying the same thing...the cs sucks...and they don't back up their guns with support...but i was a believer at the moment...was mesmorized..i dont want anyone falling into the same benelli scam...if you are reading their response and believing what they said..then you too are caught into it....they admit that they don't have any clue when the barrells will be in the states...not a frickin' clue..go to the website...what is being adverstised heavily...oh..guess what..the ap barrells....which i just found out all the guns with ap are months if not a year behind....that should be clearly advertised and communicated...which after research..none of the retailers have been told. bad bad bad business. and, isn't it unfortunate that many have emailed me privately on here already cheering me on with this...because they have all experienced it....it is pathetic that we keep supporting it. now, benelli is a good gun..i sighted it in for deer.....but to me it is worthless....with the support....also....isn't worse yet..that after only 2 weeks of owning that i've received emails already..many to just sell it. wow!

...lol...and i am relaxed....i'm actually a very calm guy...just letting the world know that when buying a benelli....lots and lots and lots...of questions have to be asked and, most importantly, the answers have to be affirmed a few times over. it just isn't right!

hogwild....please read the response.....the gun should not even be on the market..it is bad business....yes...both Cabellas and Gander and one other showed me that it would be available in 24, 26 and 28.....

well...if i should have purchased the smooth barrell....my bad...i dont know about you..but when you buy any gun..you expect to have the back up...at least the barrells....they should have never put the apg models on the market if they could not support them...this is no differet then Mac coming out with the ****** and creating a storm of sh@@ when it knocked its price down a month later and had to refund thousands. their operation is a complete mess. and, now the stink gets worse. i just got a response from customer service, which admits that they have no idea when the 26 inch barrell will see the states. I am posting their resonse and my response..enjoy: My response today to their second "Bill Clinton I Did Not Have Sexual Relations" response: Sir, This still does not explain why the **** you would bring a gun to market that doesn’t even know when the barrels are going to be in this country. A very, very poor lack of planning, and obviously you have instilled fear in your retailers based on this ongoing issue. It is your responsibility. It is your responsibility to make sure that when you launch a gun that you are adequately ready. YOU ARE NOT!!!!!!. You are telling me that the retailers don't even have the barrels and wont for who knows how long. DO NOT. DO NOT BLAME THE RETAILERS. YOU ARE CROSSING THE LINE. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. ABSOLUTELY A FARSE!!!! You should have never even sent that damn gun to a retailer if you couldn't back it up with barrels and now you are having me chase more people down. I can not believe your brand has been built on an operation like this. I do not care what it takes...I want to know exact...exactly when the 26 inch barrel will be available for this gun ..or the 28. And, I want to know who exactly I should speak with, and when I can expect it. If I do not have this barrel by bird season...I'm expecting a full refund from you. Not the retailer. NO WHERE IN YOUR ADVERTISING .... ON YOUR WEBSITE...WITH YOUR RETAILERS DOES IT GIVE A NOTICE...."BEWARE. BAREELS ARE NOT IN SIGHT." Their response to original email a week ago: Sir, It was the individuals at the store that mis-informed you. If you have an issue with anything here, it is with them. They are the ones that should have known all along that the barrels can only be ordered through them and we cannot, and do not sell anything direct. Their lack of desire is the start of this issue. All 3 retailers you talked to decided to not handle you they way they could have, we have not ever sold direct retail to consumers EVER. We have no control over the individual personnel in any of our dealers. So their lack of knowledge is a result of their hiring process. And we are sorry you have encountered such problems with this. Regardless, the 26 inch barrels are not in this country at this time to be sold. We are expecting 24 inch barrels to come in about 4-6 weeks time. For the moment we do not have the 26's in transit. It will be about 2 months until we see them. The ONLY way to get one is to order one through a store. You can, in addition, call a parts supplier like Brownells to order one - phone # 1-800-741-0015 - part # for a APG barrel in 26 is 81276 - and you will need that wherever you go to order it. 81281 is the part # for the 24 inch APG barrel that we will have in 4-6 weeks