M4CQB
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I have one mounted on my M4, and I don't think it sits too close to my face. I shoot with the stock in the second position, and I have shot it with the stock all the way down too.
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Interesting. So what would that be, a 4 rd tube? I never even heard of a SBS M4.....
Some people have actually cut down M4s, although this one might be an altered photo.
I have a factory M4 SBS, but the barrel is a 14", not a 12" like the pic you posted would indicate. The 12" are a 4rd tube, and my 14" is a 5rd tube.
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Thanks man, I certainly enjoy shooting it.
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Thanks, I'll have to monitor that site.
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Wasn't there someone producing new collapsibles for the M4?
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Yes Taylaboy it is a Socom. I love the hitting power of a .308 in a light compact package.
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Nice guns everyone.
Here is my baby.
Pic of the scope's lit ret.
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I have both an M2 and an M4. If you can swing the few hundred more, go for the M4, it is definitely worth it. In regard to the M2, I don't believe it was ever offered with a rail. Now I bought mine when it first came out, so I might not be the best person to ask. Things may have changed since, but as far as I know, the M2 was never offered with a rail.
Hope that helps. Good luck with your purchase.
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Good reminder. Thanks for posting that.
Oh, and yes, I am already a member.
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No problems here either. I have a friend that has an old M1 super 90. It has yet to break down, and he has had it for longer than I can remember. I also bought an M2 when they first came out, and it is still going strong.
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that exact thing happened to a man in utah. he heard a noise down stairs and went to hunt down his intruder.saw the man coming down the hall with a flashlight, and cut him down with a 12ga . come to find out it was a cop. apparently some one saw an intruder a called police, when they got there the intruder fled out the back door. police was at fault for not calling out when he entered. none the less that man is now doing 30years for capital murder. so go ahead and blast away. i repeat when you rack a shotgun in a dark room with your intruder in the light, he is N O T , i repeat NOT going to come hunt you down.and hes not likly to return to your nieghborhood at all.
Most of the time that is true, but if you read through some of the accounts of actual home invasions, there are some bold/stupid people, and they are not always alone.
I would consider racking my shotgun too, but not until I have made a positive ID, and made a good assessment of the situation.
I have a dim night light halfway down a long hall that is shaded to only luminate in the opposite direction. I can see whoever is coming, what they are carrying, long before they will ever know that I am there. If they are unarmed? Sure, I will rack the shotgun, but if they clearly have a gun and they are wearing a skimask, I will unload without warning.
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you simply cannot be trained enough when your talking about a fire fight. the fear factor comes into play.training on a range you can score 100 out of 100. but when your target is shooting back it is a whole different story.
True, but it is also easy to criticise when you do not know the whole story. The targets are not static, they turn and you have a short amount of time to fire before they turn out of view again, much of the shooting is quick reactions, not aimed shooting. You also shoot from behind cover, you are not standing out in the open half the time. Shooting while leaning to the left or right is not quite as easy.
The Marine I mentioned (trust me this guy has seen plenty of combat) also ran sims with me during part of the training. Neither of took one shot during any of the sims. As a side note, I also scored 95, 97, and 97 on the range.
Ironically, the people who shot best were all the people who either have a good amount of firearms experience, or actual combat experience. The two military personel that shot poorly were people who were not combat personel (an engineer, and a medic, not a field medic either).
Were there people who shot barely well enough to pass? Unfortunately, yes. Just like the physical training test. There were a number of us that scored 90% or higher, but there were also many who barely passed.
If anyone wants to make a difference in the quality of LEO on your streets, petition your local FOP, politicians, etc... to raise the standards at the academy your LEO receive their training. I know that the instructors at my academy were already pushing the raise the standards.
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Meh.
I have multiple friends in the marines and a few in the army who I've shot with, and I've never been impressed by their shooting prowess or knowledge of guns/tactics in general. Maybe my friends are just morons, I don't know.
Since you mentioned Todd Jarrett ...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4584332856867071363
"the biggest problem that I see today about being in military and law enforcement and dealing with firearms is they are about 20 years behind the curve when it comes to teaching new techniques"
Don't get me started on cops I know/have met who are an absolute JOKE at shooting.
Well, the Marine I mentioned qualified with a score of 97, 98, & 98 out of 100 at the academy. I agree that many cops are poor shots, and this is why some jurisdictions are now utilizing places like Blackwater where Todd Jarrett teaches firearms techniques.
Cops and military personel that cannot shoot are simply a disgrace to the uniform they wear. I can't understand people go into the military or LE and do not take care to hone their shooting skills. It just does not make sense to me.
Duggan, I could not agree with you more that there are many cops and military men/women who are a complete joke when it comes to firearms skills. Sad, really sad.
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I thought back then the earth was thought to be flat, due to the relatively "straight" horizon and the lack of knowledge concerning gravity. Hmm...
Actually, there is evidence in the Bible that the earth was NOT flat. The earth is said to be hung in space on nothing, and another reference is about weather systems that circle around the world, but as Novaking already stated, wrong forum, or at least, wrong thread.
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Three months ago in are town there was a homeless man that slept in his car. There is no law saying you can't do this. But he was parked buy a curb next to a hydrate. It was next to a park where there a "thing" going on. (I don't know what it was.) Three cops were going buy, they stopped to ask him to move his car. In pulled a gun. The officers shot 23 times and the man went to the hosital. The man had a 5 shot snubby. he killed 2 and almost killed the other. They said he had one round left.
Sorry, Cops don't train the way they need to. Nobody can. Nobody know what in going to happen. Like Noob said "have a plan". work on it. That is all of can do.
Same with military, I've never been in but from all the storys my friend as told me, there hasn't been any storys of him lieing in bed with his wife and his kids in the other room and the Turbinatior is standing at his bed side.The military also "clears" rooms with more than one person. As anyone here had to clear a room by yourself under pressure? REAL PRESSURE. What if they know that you are trying to clear a room. I'm 99% sure you will lose that battle. Can it be done. YES. Why would you do it? If a family member is missing. Then you go get them.
I'm not knocking Cops or Military. With out them we would be screwed.
That is a sad story.
There was a Marine who served in Iraq for four years who went into law enforcement after his second child (his wife pushed him to take a job locally, although he said if he had it his way, he would be back in Iraq. He said the last four years were some of the best in his life). He said that "there is nothing here that these people can teach me about tactics that I don't aready know". The point was that the basic priciples you learn can be applied anywhere. The academy staff constantly reiterated this point, and I quote "we can't cover every encounter you will have out on the street, but the basic principles you learn here will apply to every situation you will face".
Ironically, several of the things the academy did cover was barricading yourself in a room or other venue while waiting for backup, entering a room if there is a reasonable belief that an officer is being held hostage and will be killed if they are not secured immediately, and on and on.
Yes, many officers do lack proper training, but some academy programs do have mock schools, malls, and homes where they run sims regularly. The firearms staff consists of SWAT and ex military who train regularly at Blackwater and I know that Blackwater has received some criticism lately, but their shooting techniques come directly from Todd Jarrett himself who teaches there regularly.
It would be nice if all academy and post academy training were like this, but unfortunately, many jurisdictions are busy spending their $$$ in "other" ways.
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You are correct in general I can agree with your assessment, consider the fact that some of us who opined may have been the type that actually served in the capacity of either a police officer or military person.
You can never judge a book by it's cover.
Well said.
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Ok, I never called you Rambo. Amost everyone here as a good idea on this forum. Thats why I'm here. I get way more info than I give which is why I'm here in the first place. There is never any harm done here and I hope the same for you.
Glad to hear it. I just wanted to be sure as it appeared that the exchange might be heading in a bad direction.
No harm done here, and no hard feelings.
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I'm not in the military. Besides Rambo, I've never heard of a one man Military. When is the last time you saw your military defending themselfs on there own ground. In home defence you don't "engage" the enemy. I'm not a cop. I also don't know a lot of cops that can run period. But if they could I don't think they would go into a dark house with out back up. So I don't know what you mean. The only only tactics I have is to get them out of my house. Going after someone even in your own home is a bad idea. waiting for them to come to you is the best thing to do. If you read all my post on this thread, you would read that it will take a lot for a person or people to get to me and my family. But it goes both ways. It takes a lot for me to get to them to. I don't want to know the type of thread I'm facing. Just get out of my house! is all I want. If they want to come after me. Come and get it. If they don't better for me.
Maybe I will keep my alarm off and have my dog put down. I don't want to scare the bad guys away before I "Rambo" gets a hold of them.
Got to go. My M60 needs cleaned.
Novaking
Ok, for starters you are obviously NOT getting the point. I NEVER said I would seek out and engage the enemy. I was addressing the simple issue that calling out to an intruder and racking a shotgun is a bad idea when you do not know what circumstances you are facing.
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I hope that I never have to kill anyone either, and I agree that I would never shoot anyone in the back, but I disagree with the idea that scaring someone away is a good idea.
I personally want to maintain the element of surprise, and frankly, I want to wait in a dark area where I can make a positive ID on the intruder as they turn the corner, and I will nail him right in the chest.
Think about it, if you make your presence known and you have a very aggressive intruder, or worse yet, what if there is more than one? Imagine what they will do to your wife and daughter if you die.
AGAIN, this is what I posted. Where in the heck do you see that I am SEEKING out the intruder?
Originally Posted by M4CQBNote that I did not say I would simply shoot anyone. I specifically qualified that attempting to scare an intruder off without knowing all of the circumstances you are facing is something that I personally would not do. I for one want to make a positive ID before I make a decision as to whether I will shoot or attempt to scare them off.
Think about it, if you hear a window break, then noises that give you the impression an intruder has entered, do you really think it is a smart idea to call out and rack your shotgun? What if three people came in, and they also have shotguns?
I think maintaining the element of surprise, making a positive ID, then if they are armed opening fire is the safest solution.
What if they are not armed? Well, then you can call out and scare them off, but simply attempting to scare intruders off without making a tactical assessment first is something that I personally would not do.
Think about it, does the military engage the enemy without any intel at all? Would a lone police officer run into a house that could potentially have an entire gang inside? Why would a gun owner not use tactics to their advantage? I just don't get the whole idea of calling out to an intruder and racking a shotgun when you do not know what type of threat you are facing.
To each their own, but would rather rely on tactics and not make threats that I might not be able to back up.
AGAIN, I am simply addressing the point that calling out to your intruder and racking a shotgun is not something that would work in EVERY situation.
I agree that sometimes racking the shotgun WILL work, I even said that in my last post. I don't know why you are calling me RAMBO and appear to being taking a hostile tone in your post. Calm down, I thought we were just having an exchange of ideas on the forum, there is no reason to start calling people names and getting hot under the collar.
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What if your wrong, and go to jail. what will your wife and kids do then. shooting someone doesn't keep them out of danger.
Did you read my entire post?
Originally Posted by M4CQB
I hope that I never have to kill anyone either, and I agree that I would never shoot anyone in the back, but I disagree with the idea that scaring someone away is a good idea.
I personally want to maintain the element of surprise, and frankly, I want to wait in a dark area where I can make a positive ID on the intruder as they turn the corner, and I will nail him right in the chest.
Think about it, if you make your presence known and you have a very aggressive intruder, or worse yet, what if there is more than one? Imagine what they will do to your wife and daughter if you die.
Note that I did not say I would simply shoot anyone. I specifically qualified that attempting to scare an intruder off without knowing all of the circumstances you are facing is something that I personally would not do. I for one want to make a positive ID before I make a decision as to whether I will shoot or attempt to scare them off.
Think about it, if you hear a window break, then noises that give you the impression an intruder has entered, do you really think it is a smart idea to call out and rack your shotgun? What if three people came in, and they also have shotguns?
I think maintaining the element of surprise, making a positive ID, then if they are armed opening fire is the safest solution.
What if they are not armed? Well, then you can call out and scare them off, but simply attempting to scare intruders off without making a tactical assessment first is something that I personally would not do.
Think about it, does the military engage the enemy without any intel at all? Would a lone police officer run into a house that could potentially have an entire gang inside? Why would a gun owner not use tactics to their advantage? I just don't get the whole idea of calling out to an intruder and racking a shotgun when you do not know what type of threat you are facing.
To each their own, but would rather rely of tactics and not make threats that I might not be able to back up.
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Easily said. Not so easily done, I fear.
I'm going to have one **** of a time terminating someone's life, unless I truly believe it's "me (or wife or daughter) or him."
This is why, quite frankly, I hope I'm never placed in this situation.
I will not, repeat, will not, terminate someone's life on the fear that they might come back when I'm not home and steal my guns.
If they turn tail and run, they live. I'm not shooting them in the back.
We can all talk as tough as we want on a forum such as this, but when it comes down to the real deal, pulling the trigger or not pulling the trigger in a high stress life-or-death situation, none of us know how we're really going to react unless we've been there before, such as in the military. And I haven't.
And I'll bet a lot of you haven't either.
The best we can do, is know what the laws are, and practice shooting your gun at the range, and be prepared.
And hope you never have to kill someone.
I hope that I never have to kill anyone either, and I agree that I would never shoot anyone in the back, but I disagree with the idea that scaring someone away is a good idea.
I personally want to maintain the element of surprise, and frankly, I want to wait in a dark area where I can make a positive ID on the intruder as they turn the corner, and I will nail him right in the chest.
Think about it, if you make your presence known and you have a very aggressive intruder, or worse yet, what if there is more than one? Imagine what they will do to your wife and daughter if you die.
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I purchased the black M4 from Cabela's for $1,499 but then I also got a $100 gift card which I was not expecting. So overall I think I did pretty well based on the prices I've seen lately.
I shot about 125 rounds today with the M4 (20 - 00buck, 40 - 4 shot, and the rest were 7 1/2 shot) only 2 FTF with the light loads. I figured I need about 200-300 rounds to break the gun in to be more consistant. Great shooting gun! I did notice on the receiver where the shells eject that at the top and bottom of the port the finish has been rubbed off a little from the shells, is this normal? I thought I had seen this in a previous post.
Congratulations! Yes, the receiver wear is normal. I have both shotguns, and I can tell you from experience that the M4 was definitely the right choice.
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Your life will be far, far less complicated if you get the guy to run away, than if you are forced to take deadly means.
Yeah, we've all heard "better to be tried by 12 than carried away by 6."
The "tried by 12" option screws up many a life, but is not as bad as dying, I'll agree.
But the truth is, its far, far better for you if it never happens, or it it does and you scare them away.
There is some truth to this, but there are also cases where now that the intruder knows you have guns, they come back when they know for certain you are not home and clean you out INCLUDING the guns.
The best thing to do is to know your local laws, and take the intruder out in a manner that is "acceptable" according to the jurisdiction you live in.
Short M4?
in Benelli
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LOL. Sold, check is in the mail.