thanks dover i have taken something that u said and added it in with the escorts, dalys, and the montefeltros, the porting, if i got that montefeltro or the m2 and had it ported i would save about 500 dollars and still have a very good gun. nova king i would very much like to hear your oppinion on this idea if it is good or not. i found a dealer near me that carries all the guns that i am interested in and he said that he would be more then happy to tear them apart with me and show me the differences between the similar ones like the beretta and the dalys and the escorts. so i will let u all know what i find out when i go there this weekend.