shotgunNoob
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I believe the SuperNova Tacticals, in addition to a few other select models, are the only shottys within the SN line which include drilled/tapped receivers as a standard feature. Sounds like your particular model/configuration of SN simply may not offer that. I dont think its anything unusual.
Based on what Ive gathered, here are the various SN configurations offering a drilled/tapped receiver.
SUPERNOVA with SteadyGrip™ † 12-GAUGE 2-3/4", 3" AND 3-1/2"
20136 24" APG HD® *** Red Bar
20140 24" Synthetic Red Bar
SUPERNOVA Tactical † 12-GAUGE 2-3/4", 3" AND 3-1/2"
20145 18" ComforTech™ Open Rifle
20150 18" Pistol Grip Open Rifle
20155 18" ComforTech™ Ghost Ring
20160 18" Pistol Grip Ghost Ring
20161 18" Pistol Grip/Desert Camo Ghost Ring
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Ill focus on this part of the phrase. A jury probably wouldnt care about the use of such weapons by LE, particularly when used by a civilian for the taking of a human life. To some, especially those who know nothing about weapon accessories or their use, if it looks evil...it is evil. A stripped down SNT does indeed look less "evil" than a fully outfitted one. Keep in mind, Im not knocking this look (I happen to like it). Its just a sad truth....used by respected law enforcement agencies across the country?
Possibly. But, due to the high stress nature of a violent encounter and the affect this has on the body, many things can go wrong, such as "accidentally" ejecting an unfired round, short stroking, etc.If anything, a side saddle would be the most glaringly aggressive and least court defendable accessory you have.Of course, there are also various mechanical failures such as misfeeds, misfires...etc. The sidesaddle adds insurance against such issues.
That would be my legal argument anyway.
But, this is all off topic anyway. Im still undecided as to which accessories will stay and which will go. All of the responses here have certainly given me some things to consider.
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Im currently using an Insight M3x Tactical Illuminator (w/remote) mounted to an Insight rail clamp (which is mounted to the mag tube extension). The extension I was using was a Nordic Components +2 unit. But, it has recently been damaged (dont ask), so I will have to replace it with a TacStar +2 extension for now.What is your current light and mount setup?Maybe, now that I think about it, my main concern is how others may view this weapon (fully outfitted) should I ever be facing legal issues over an HD shooting...no matter how justified.
I mean, it doesnt exactly scream "for hunting only." Rather, it looks like it was outfitted for one purpose and one purpose only.
Even though each item has a useful/specific/necessary(?) purpose, Im just wondering if the 12 who may one day judge me will feel the same way. This is, as it should be to anyone who uses a weapon for HD, a very real (and unfortunate) concern.
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Essentially, my reasons for this are that the extension/light combo adds a decent amount of weight. Heck, even the extension by itself makes a difference in "balance". Now, while the sidesaddle does add weight, it is closer to the middle of the weapon. Therefore, it allows for greater balance vs the other 2 items. Keep in mind that, with any mag tube extension, there may be a higher probability for feeding/reliability issues.I think its somewhat funny that you say that you could live without the mag tube extension but will be keeping extra rounds in a shell carrier.Im also thinking, given that my shotgun has a PG stock, the weapon might be considered "less aggressive" without the extension and light. This is always stuff to consider when dealing with a jury or prosecutor who may have issues with "tactical" weaponry, should the weapon ever actually be used in an HD situation. The sidesaddle I would keep as its presence is more justifiable, given the lack of an extension.
So, there is a "method" to my madness here.
Besides, I only keep 4 rounds in the tube as is. With this thing going back to stock, I would keep 3. Sure, Im losing a round. But, if I actually had time to add more rounds, Id still be able to end up with 4 in the tube, one in the chamber and 2 left on the gun. If this isnt enough to end an HD encounter...Im more than likely screwed anyway!
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I have been considering removing certain accessories from my SuperNova Tactical and would like some decent opinions.
The accessories Im thinking about removing are the mag tube extension and the white light system. The reasons, for the most part, have to do with a) reduction of weight, b) fewer items means there is less to worry about, and c) making for a more "politically correct" HD weapon..so to speak.
Now, I will be keeping the Mesa Tactical 4 shell carrier as the total mag capacity would be dropped to 4 (only 3 being kept in the tube at all times). I feel that, with enough practice and should the need ever arise, I will (time permitting) be able to chamber a round and replinish the mag tube with 2 more shells via the carrier.
Personally, I feel I can live without the extension as 3 rounds should be enough to halt most HD situations. Its the light system Im somewhat leary of removing. Of course, without the mag extension, there can be no weapon mounted light. Thus, they are essentially linked.
So, thoughts? Is this an unwise thing to do? Consider that I also keep a .45 ACP around which I happen to think of as my primary HD weapon.
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...and more likely to "treat" a BG to a successful disarm attempt, IMHO. PG stocks arent just for "tacticool" show. They have clear advantages when used on an HD weapon.It may not be tacticool, but a standard hunting stock is great for pointability and speed on target.Think of it this way...When using a standard stock, the heigth of the wrist closely resembles that of one used for a "pushing" type movement. Whereas, when using a PG stock, the wrist is closer to resembling a natural "pulling" movement (ie., wrist/arm angle closer to the body). Approaching it from this perspective, which one seems more likely to offer the most security?
To me, there is a difference between merely "holding" a weapon vs "gripping" a weapon.
Oh, one more thing. Try manipulating your shotty with one hand using either/or the PG stock and the standard stock. Which one allows for greater control? I think you get the idea.
The only reason I would ever consider not using the PG stock would be due to the irrational opinions regarding the "evil" appearance of PG equipped weapons (if ever on trial for an HD related homicide). Even so, I would have to go with the PG equipped stock on this shotty as the advantages are too numerous. Besides, I feel that "better control" and "less likely for disarm" would be good starting points when trying to explain my use (to a jury) for such an accessory.
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I wont get into it, but I have to respectfully disagree with this comment.its much easier for him to break your grip on the PG by twisting the shotgun than with a field stock.Back to the original issue....I personally prefer the PG stock as it seems to allow for greater versatility/control vs the Comfortech. Also, I personally dont recall ever seeing/hearing any issues with the PG (SureGrip) stock regarding its reliability vs the Comfortech. I have yet to encounter any issues with my current install. I figure if the PG stock is tightly/properly secured to the receiver, the chances of failure are no less/greater vs a "standard" stock.
BTW- I agree with using a "low ready" position, particularly within the home. Too many reasons to list for this theory.......
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‘(B) does not include any antique.’.
Hmm..I guess "antiques" are considered less deadly.
I just wonder what classifies as an antique. Meh...anti-gun supporters just dont seem to have a clue. Typical...... -
Personally, if available, Id just go with another brand. Ive used Meprolight before and...meh.
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Nice round....Now, if only I could get my hands on that tank.
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I really appreciate the repies. Its given me some useful info, particularly when it comes to "arguing" against the muzzle down crowd.
And I agree with an earlier response regarding the "quick acquisition" mentality. Personally, since I consider my shotgun as primarily a "barricade" (for lack of a better term) weapon , I never gave much credence to the "time saved" by storing muzzle down. As pointed out earlier, if it came down to mere seconds, going for a shotty (regardless of its position) or any weapon for that matter, would probably prove to be an exercise in futility.
This is why I keep a .45 ACP around (for greater mobility) and tend to regard the shotgun as "back-up." If I feel time and/or the situation would permit, the shotty would then become the primary HD weapon at that moment.
Of course, these thoughts are based on mere "information" and experiences gleaned from others as well as some of my own "practical" ideas.
Personally, if the sh*t ever does hit the fan...who knows what will happen. After all, planning will never replace experience. Frankly, dealing with a violent BG is one "experience" I would not mind avoiding.
Anyway...Thanks for the solid responses. I appreciate it.
Ill be going with muzzle up.
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I can't imagine having a gun so dripping wet with oil that it would run, regardless of storage position.
Other than that concern, what other possible advantage could there be to store it with the muzzle down?
Most of the muzzle down guys proposed, the "gravity drain" of oil into the action/butt aside, that the weapon would be in a better position for quick acquisition given an HD situation. Thats their take on it anyway.
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I am currently in the process of setting up a new gunlock/rack (Santa Cruz) for my Benelli SNT. My first thought was to set this thing up horizonatally, but that has gone by the wayside for now.
Second thought was to store it muzzle up (with the butt of the gun roughly 3' or so off the ground). Im thinking that the usual worries of oil "damage" the buttstock would not apply here given the synthetic nature of this gun. Also, I dont believe much lube is needed to keep this gun operational and in good condition (from what I hear). Therefore, I wouldnt be quite as concerned about lube leaking down into the action. In addition, I would be laying a small "breathable" cloth (similar to a polishing cloth) over the end of the barrel, in order to minimize dust accumulation and/or bugs.
However, per another forum, I have been told numerous times that muzzle down is the way to go. Now, the only way I would be able to accomplish muzzle down storage with the Santa Cruz setup would be to purchase one of their muzzle plugs. I just dont feel comfortable plugging up the end of the barrel, based on those who propose this is just a bad idea.
Anyway, I was just curious to find out what others here thought about all of this. Thanks.
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Leftie...Stick around...(and work on the spelling, my friend).
Seriously though, forums such as this are always full of people who are quick/eager to slap someone around with their opinion(s). Its the nature of the "internet" game.
However, many useful things can be gleaned from such forums if you have the ability to ignore the stupid comments and/or flames. Plus, its always nice to be able to share your own opinions and experiences with others in hopes that they might either learn something or at least, sympathise with you.
If all else fails, once you have gathered everything you can out of a forum, start flaming away until you are banned. That'll show 'em!!
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I wont get into the whole "pump vs semi" thing. But, for me, the SNT (pump) was the best choice due to "practicality" and honestly, price.
Even after all I have spent on this particular weapon, I would still have had to shell out an additional $700+ for a Benelli semi-auto shotgun of my choice. For an HD shotty, this just didnt seem reasonable.
PS- Sorry about the lousy pic...I was in a hurry.
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Did you get caught up in the whole internal/external extractor switch/recall?
Nah..I was merely referencing Kimber based on various opinions. However, the Sig, SA and Benelli comments I do have first hand knowledge of. Sure, every one of these had their fair share of issues. But, thanks in part to great CS, most problems have been resolved. The rest of the issues will just have to fall into the "wait and see" category. But, nevertheless, Id put these up against anything out there in terms of OVERALL satisfaction and quality.
Regardless...you have made up your mind. I respect this and shall leave it at that. Just know that you arent alone. That was my main point anyway.
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Lets face it...Regardless of where or from whom you bought an accessory (or anything for that matter) there is always a chance that something will not measure up to preconceived ideas of reliability. Ive heard of many accounts where, generally speaking, products of usually high quality fail to meet the consumers standards. This happens. I wont go into details, but (regarding weapons, for instance) Ive heard negative accounts of everything ranging from Glock to Springfield Armory to Kimber to H&K to Remington to Mossberg and even to Sig and Benelli. Keep in mind, we are now talking of very expensive weapons...some reaching past the $1500 mark or higher. This is merely scratching the surface. Ditto for weapon accessory manufacturers. Again...it happens. Does this mean that all of these manufacturers (generally accepted as producing quality products) make nothing but sh*t? Probably not....
For the most part, any manufacturer of items generally accepted as high quality will, more than likely, meet a certain standard more often times than not. But, as with ANY man-made item, things do and can go wrong. As you stated before...out of 2 items listed, one worked..the other didnt. OK...so you are looking at a 50% success/failure rate regarding your situation. Its relatively safe to assume that, should you have purchased another such item made by DMW, you would have probably received another "good" one.
Either way, I respect your opinion and certainly understand your anger. Ive been there many, many times. But, you have to look at the overall equation here, in terms of customer satisfaction. Will there be some bad eggs in the bunch? Even the best has this potential. It all comes down to trying to narrow the odds.
But, again, I understand where you are coming from. Its frustrating to expect a certain degree of quality and not receive it. Once more..Ive been there as Im sure most of us have.
In your case, think of it this way...one success out of two is better than none at all...right?
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I would definately think its that type of gun, he is looking for a tactical version after the election. Nothing sells guns faster than the fear of people losing them, one AR-15 rifle manufacturer is officially 100,000 rifles behind in production because everyone and their brother ordered one, so I would expect benelli is going through some of the same, especially M4s and the supernova tactical.
Could be true....particularly regarding weapons such as the M4.
Its funny though, the SNT is really not that much different vs any other SN (essentially) other than the way it looks...oh and the unfortunate addition of the word "tactical" within its name. Maybe they should have just simply called it the "SuperNova-SP" (special purpose).
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My SNT took roughly 7 to 8 weeks to arrive from the time that it was ordered via the local gun shop. All of this after I was initially told "no more than 2 weeks or so."
Im almost betting, as has been stated before, that the whole "Obama" scare has something to do with the extended wait you are experiencing. Not to mention they are shipped from Europe.
BTW- From what I understand, these guns arrive in the USA by boat (certainly not a very expeditious transport method) and in, Im assuming, limited quantity. As there are, more than likely, many orders to be filled (particularly now) I could see such a wait as being possible.
Plus, lets be honest, the SNT and the like are usually not locally stocked in large quantities vs other shottys. The market/demand simply isnt as large when it comes to what might be considered a "specialty" weapon...particularly when speaking of Benelli. Hence, one more reason for waiting....and waiting....and waiting.
Luckily, after having seen the frustration of mine in regards to my Benelli experience, the shop I purchased my SNT through decided to start keeping more of them in stock.
Dont worry though. It will get here. Personally, Id just try to go on with your life and not worry about it too much (although I can, from experience, see how this can be difficult). Getting p*ssed off will only make the wait seem that much longer.
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I bought this for my Benelli SNT, but have decided that I no longer need it. If you might be interested, PM me for more details. Thanks....
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Ive pretty much decided on just removing my Mesa carrier, with some regrets I might add, and going with a buttstock mounted carrier (of the fabric persuasion). Ive seen several listed here. Any recommendations? Im looking for, of course, a quality piece which will fit my SNT pistol grip stock. Im wanting to stay away from anything too bulky or un-wieldly. Thanks.
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I agree!! More and more the thugs are standing up and shooting it out with LEO's, whom they KNOW are heavily armed. So what would be the chance of them standing there ground against a homeowner, who may not be trained, OR WILLING to stop the thugs NOW!!
Just my opinion.
You may be right. However, I think the "mindset" of a criminal dealing with an LE confrontation might be somewhat different vs a confrontation with an armed homeowner. After all, personal vendettas aside, Im sure most criminal types would not find that getting shot or killed over say, money or goods, to be a risk worth taking.
Either way, Id still like to keep extra ammo on the gun. Im just not sure if the risk of damaging the weapon (using a sidesaddle) is worth it. So, a fabric-type stock carrier might be what I end up going with...even though it certainly doesnt look as "tacticool".
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I had this same problem. The "trick" is to not pay any attention to the instructions listed within the FAQ.
Seriously though, the easiest way is to join and upload your pics here:
Dont worry....its free.
Once thats done, its just a matter of copying/pasting the location of the image, used by photobucket, into the forum(s) "image location (URL)" dialogue box. When choosing which image link to copy/paste (within photobucket), you should see several options. The one you want to use is under "direct link", which should begin with "http://".
If you find that you are still having problems, please feel free to PM me.
Hope this helps.
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I have a 6 shot black nylon type sidesaddle that mounts to my stock with velcro on my M4. It is my HD and range fun toy.
Actually, I have considered getting such an item for my SNT. Im assuming that most out there would work just fine with the Suregrip (pistol grip) stock. Ive been looking at the Blackhawk carriers, but they seem a bit expensive and bulky. But, its a good idea nonetheless.
One piece tube
in Benelli
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But, Im not from CA, so dont quote me on this. Id just check on this one.