jantonio54
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In complete agreement with your comments.
I am currently "playing" with the appropriate combinations of accessories to find a happy medium.
A sling and light are somewhat mandatory for my needs, as I live in the woods and tend to wander about.
I'm still undecided on a Nordic extended mag tube or a MT 1913 rail/6 shell carrier as a method of additional ammo carry.
I don't want or feel the need for both... and both combined may cause cycling issues.
Thru experimentation... and contemplation of my "true needs", I will decide on which is the better method.
The Wolff spring would be a sound purchase... should I get a case of "Zombieitis" and rationalize the need for 14 plus shells on the gun. (What... it could happen.
)I guess it wouldn't matter if you had a hundred round magazine if you couldn't see anything. So go for the light, and take a hard look at Streamlight lights and mounts. They are so light in weight, you can add something else, like a mag extension or sling.
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Long time lurker, first time poster.
I was invited to participate in some skeet shooting tomorrow. Attendees will have proper bird hunting shotguns, but my only shotgun is my M4, and I'd like to get some more time in on it.
Any problems participating in such festivities? I cant imagine birdshot doing anything to my gun, but I'd rather be sure before.
Thanks in advance.
Go have fun, but be prepared for some good-natured ribbing. The M4 is NOT a skeet gun. Maybe you can out-shoot them and get the last laugh.
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I'll be the decenter and devils advocate in this group. I'm old, I can take the abuse.
Being able to own a firearm that is in current use by the (a) military has a certain cachette... that can sometimes be hard to define, rationalize or justify.
I can't totally exclude myself from this fascination either, as I've been in the deep end of that pool, once possessing FN FALs, H&K G3s, SIG AMTs, a whole slew of US arms... and other sundry mil-spec weaponry.
I find that the M2 does everything I need a shotgun to do. Is it better or worse than an M4 at flinging quantities of buckshot down the lane? No... only different in the sense that they are designed for, and have different (intended) missions in life. Pick your mission, pick your gun.
I went with the M2 for a few reasons. I have (developed) an aversion to gas system weapons. Might be silly, but no more silly than any other illogical rationalization.
I liked the lightness and maneuverability of the M2... I have carpal tunnel and tendinitis, so this is an important feature to me.
On the other hand, I'm a fairly recoil-proof person, so that feature of the softer shooting M4 carries no weight.
Caveat Emptor...
C
Sounds like you have it figured out for you. I couldn't agree with you more. I own both (M1 and M4), and the lightness of the M1 is incredible after handling the M4. The only downsides of the M1/M2 are questionable ability to cycle loads for which they are not designed and you do not have the option of hanging a lot of weight on the gun.
The Wolff heavy recoil spring alleviates these downsides to some degree.
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All aluminum used to make anything is an alloy.
That's right, but it still will fail the magnet test.
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So it's neither aluminum nor steel, but an alloy. You know, you could just touch a magnet to it.
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I second the TLR-2. Very high quality and very bright, small, and light.
And I think the laser could be very useful. You can set the TLR-2 so that the laser and light come on simultaneously with one switch. It throws a huge, bright wall of light with a very bright laser dot right in the middle.
The laser module is well-integrated and adds little bulk or weight. So, why in the world would you not want the laser if you're going to add a light to a shotgun?
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At this moment, I have two M4's, one with collapsible stock, one with PG stock, and one M1, and I'm not sure the M1 isn't the best of the bunch.
I hunt with an 1100 and an A5, and they are fine as well.
I've got $4000 in M4's. They're wonderful, but come on, folks, relax.
The one under my bed is the M1, because it feels two pounds lighter than the M4's. It handles better and it points better. That said, the M4's are not for sale.
If I could find a mag extension for my 1967 A5, it would be the one under my bed, because it's the shotgun I trust above all others.
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Yeah...but Hornady's OO 1600fps buckshot patterned like **** too. I was lucky to have 1 to 2 on target past 30 yards. At 25 yards it would put 50% on a 16x16" target. Not for me.
However, here is energy figures for OO buck at 1275 and 1600fps. Respectively. At the muzzle.
195#
307#
One must take into account, however, that a sphere won't hold energy for crap down-range.
That 307# will quickly be "overtaken" by the 270# energy as the lower BC of the OO buckshot compared to the OOO buckshot does not allow for as much retained velocity. I cannot find the BC for OOO buckshot, but the BC for OO is .047
That's interesting, understandable, and still a convincing argument for 000. But 25 to 30 yards seems like fairly long range for a HD shotgun, unless you're planning on nailing them at the mailbox on the assumption they're there to break in.
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That's a pretty convincing argument for OOO. Do you happen to know the velocity of the OO which you used to compare the energy to OOO? Some of the OO is considerably hotter than normal full-charge loads, for instance Hornady TAP at 1600 FPS. That OO load would carry considerably more energy than the normal 1250 to 1350 FPS loads.
It also makes me wonder what the rationale is behind the Army's and Marines' exclusive use of OO.
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Maybe I'm an idiot, but I can not imagine at less than 10 yards there is much difference between full and cylinder. Heck, the shot hasn't even left the cup until near that distance.
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Here are the Beretta date codes. I believe I read Benelli uses the same codes. I'm too lazy to go look at mine right now. I just bought an M4 for a friend who is also in the Far East. It's YO23XXX.
http://www.sportingclays.net/forums/thread.cfm?threadid=3659&messages=3
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Wait a minute... I thought you ALREADY were shooting a new Vinci? That's what you told us previously... or at least implied with your comments and authoritative contributions. Is this a second purchase or a first, "VinciShooter?"
Take it easy on your little buddy. You didn't even bother to compliment his getting his shift key repaired, as evidenced in the title of his post.
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21in!! as a hunting gun NO NO NO NO NO! you got to atleast go 26in 28 would be better
Got that shift key fixed, I see.
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Searching through, I have found I guess you identify it through the barrel, about on top of the piston there will be holes, Mine has 2 holes, so its a 2 port I guess
That's correct. They're fairly difficult to see. Look through the chamber and shine a light through the muzzle.
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The US Military grade buckshot is back on Gunbroker in 250-round cases for about a buck per round. I've shot about a hundred through an M4 with no problems. I have read it's 3.63 dram eq and I think 1425 fps. It feels full-power.
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Or you can change the recoil spring to a Wolff Heavy, and hang a mag extension and a light, and it will still be as reliable as the rise and fall of the sun (with full-power loads).
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Uhhhhh, I think I stated why I was asking.
then I guess that makes our reasons identical for asking a question. As I said, I'm "curious" why you'd be curious.
I don't mean to be a jerk, or argumentative. I just wondered why it would make any difference.
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I'm curious why you'd care. If they needed replacing, wouldn't you order them OEM from Benelli?
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Have you seen these? Maybe not as "cost effective" as you'd like.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=129378604
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Not Duggan, but...I watched their price go from 5-700 a year and a half ago, to 7-900 currently. Benelli has clamped down on them, and noone makes an aftermarket. They will slowly, steadily climb in price and dry up availability wise as people who want them will buy them and hang onto them. Soon all the "I have new, old stock" people will be out of them, and the only people who have them will be people who bought just one, for themselves, to keep.
Prices will continue to climb.
That's the way I see it, too. Have to wonder if at some point, some enterprising soul attempts to smuggle a container of them in. At a thousand a pop, it has to be tempting.
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Duggan, what's your guess on the market for collapsibles in the future?
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"I wouldnt think the stock would make any difference as the recoil is controlled through the gun"
If you mean that the M4 internalizes the recoil, I respectfully disagree. My M4, shooting full-power loads, recoils as much at the shoulder as the inertia-driven guns I own (or at least very close to it). This means that the joints in the collapsible stock are taking at least somewhat of a beating.
Whether or not that eventually manifests itself in the joints' loosening up, I don't know.
I really know very little about the ARGO system, but it looks to me as if the two pistons whack the carrier with enough force to unlock the bolt, and from that point rearward, it's just another inertia-driven gun.
M4 v.s. M2 tactical
in Benelli
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The M1/M2 are designed to cycle heavier loads. Some people report some success with lighter loads, but you can almost be guaranteed cycling problems with added weight AND lighter loads.
With a mag extension and a fairly heavy light, I had regular cycling problems. The Wolff heavy spring seemed to fix the problem. I changed to a much lighter light and haven't had a problem since.