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Oh, BTW, the way you assembled the bits in your posted picture will work (with the limited number of shells) but both defeats the purpose of the magazine extension (unless as truckcop posted you are hunting migratory birds or are under some other restriction on shell number) AND Benelli's design of being able to quickly remove the limiter without removal of the extension and spring.
Think "simply remove/replace the retaining ring and limiter, leaving everything else in the weapon" - that is how Benelli designed it. Genius when you think about it.
Imagine you're out hunting mutant gophers with the game warden using your M2 without the limiter, as one would expect... oops, you suddenly need to shoot some rabid ducks but you're standing with the game warden... crap, what do you do?... then you suddenly remember you bought a Benelli M2... 5 seconds later your limiter is in and BLAM BLAM. Two body shots, because of course you don't want to spray rabies infected brains and spit all over the place with a head shot. You and the warden are safe and he's not p*ssed that you were over your two shell limit - proven by the limiter. You toss the rabid ducks in the toxic waste pool you are standing near, only because the warden is smart enough to stop you from taking the rabid ducks home to eat. Then 5 seconds later the limiter is out and you're going after the mutant gophers again. Suddenly the toxic avenger ducks rise from the mire and begin to approach... 5 seconds later the limiter is back in and BLAM BLAM... two head shots, which are safe now as the toxic sludge destroyed the rabies infecting the brains and saliva of the ducks, and you are safe yet again thanks to the Benelli shell limiter design of the M2.
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UGH! In the time it took me to start typing that, let the dogs out, type some more, let the dogs back in, and then type the rest, I get scooped by truckcop with a much simpler explanation.
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This almost makes me want to go buy an M2 just to see how confusing it isn't.
I went to the range today. Couldn't get more than 2 shells in when the metal pole was installed...HELP!!!!
No surprise. There is a factory installed limiter kit and you have reinstalled it, albeit in a slightly wrong manner. As truckcop said in the first reply to your op, that "metal pole" is a shell limiter.
There are two retainers present. The first is the "limiter retaining ring" which you called a "little round plate with a leap". The second is the "spring retainer" which looks like a small cup with a hole in the middle. The design of the limiter retaining ring allows you to install or remove the mag limiter without removing the extension tube or the mag spring. The second retainer, the spring retainer, can be used either by itself or with the limiter retaining ring if no limiter is present.
There are several methods of assembly for the magazine tube based on limiter use or not, how you want to store the limiter retaining ring, and how much "extra" support you want the spring to have. You need to decide which method is appropriate and safe for your use. You can lose an eye, or worse, messing with a mag spring. Your mileage may vary. No warranty expressed or implied. No one posting here including myself and Benelli (both US and IT), no one reading this other than yourself, no one thinking about this, and no one else in the world other than you yourself take any responsibility for what you do with any of the instructions posted. All other pertinent and non-pertinent disclaimers, both legal and non-legal, included here. There are several ways you can assemble the magazine on the M2. It isn't rocket surgery. But to keep it very simple and to follow the instructions in the M2 manual (yes they are there)...
WITH LIMITER
- Make sure your follower and spring are installed in the magazine.
- Place the spring retainer (the "cup with a hole in it") onto the "loose end" of the spring hanging out of the magazine with the open end of the cup facing the spring.
- Put the magazine extension over the spring retainer
- Carefully compress the spring into the magazine remembering you can lose an eye, or worse.
- Put the extension on the magazine.
- Put the limiter rod through the hole in the "cup"
- Place the limiter retaining ring onto the limiter with the lip facing outward.
- Keeping the ring and limiter positioned at a slight angle, push the limiter into the magazine tube, ensuring the retaining ring enters properly. The slight angle will allow the ring to slip into the magazine entirely even though it is wider than the tube bore
- Reduce finger pressure until the limiter is tight against the tube spigot.
- Go hunting or whatever else you may be doing with your shell limiter enhanced tactical M2
- If you wish to remove the limiter, see pages 128-132 of your M2 manual.
WITHOUT LIMITER:
There are two methods both of which entail storing the "metal pole" shell limiter in a storage container away from the weapon. The methods are then separated by where you want to store the limiter retaining ring and how much "extra" support you want the compressed spring to have on the "open" end of the magazine extension, etc. You do not need the limiter retaining ring unless you are using the limiter, however, you can still use it. You must decide which method is appropriate for your use and safety. You can lose an eye with a magazine spring. All disclaimers in the world inserted here.
Method 1
- Shell limiter "metal pole" is stored somewhere away from the weapon.
- Make sure your follower and spring are installed in the magazine.
- Place the spring retainer (the "cup with a hole in it") onto the "loose end" of the spring hanging out of the magazine with the open end of the cup facing the spring.
- Put the magazine extension over the spring retainer
- Carefully compress the spring into the magazine remembering you can lose an eye, or worse.
- Put the extension on the magazine.
- Keeping the limiter retaining ring positioned at a slight angle, push the retaining ring into the magazine tube, ensuring the retaining ring enters properly.
- Reduce finger pressure until the limiter retaining ring is tight against the tube spigot.
- Go do whatever you may be doing with your non-shell limiter enhanced tactical M2
Method 2
- Shell limiter "metal pole" is stored somewhere away from the weapon.
- The limiter retaining ring is stored somewhere away from the weapon, preferably with the shell limiter.
- Make sure your follower and spring are installed in the magazine.
- Place the spring retainer (the "cup with a hole in it") onto the "loose end" of the spring hanging out of the magazine with the open end of the cup facing the spring.
- Put the magazine extension over the spring retainer
- Carefully compress the spring into the magazine remembering you can lose an eye, or worse.
- Put the extension on the magazine.
- Go do whatever you may be doing with your non-shell limiter enhanced tactical M2
- Make sure your follower and spring are installed in the magazine.
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Haha. I didn't plan on it, I might go back & get it cuz it seemed to b made pretty well.
I bought a POS heat gun about 10 years ago at Harbor Freight when it was on sale and I used a coupon. Regular price was $10. I paid $3. Still works fine.
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I bought a heat gun from home depot for about $40 then turned it all the way up to about 1500 degrees. I heated it for less than 5 mins & it screwed right out. Then I figured I wouldn't need a heat gun again so I returned itI did suffer a war wound though, as I was unscrewing it my wife distracted me at the perfect time & the spring shot out & gave me a small scratch on my forehead
That wouldn't have happened if you hadn't planned on returning the heat gun you "bought"... it's called karma
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Perhaps find ... an experienced shooterI'm a former marine
hmmmmmmm...
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I also put a FFT 3/4 steel charging handle. Would that affect it at all? I doubt it... but maybe?
IDK the actual weight of the FFT 3/4 steel but the GG&G Steel 3/4 weighs in at 24.5 grams. The OEM charging handle is 10-12.5 grams. So... perhaps...
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Alternatively, one could review the owner manual prior to disassembly.
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I have noticed through my m4 that no matter what I shoot through it, Brennkes, sabots (I own no rifled chokes btw), rifled slugs, cheap $ or $$$$$$$$, it doesn't matter to about 100+ yards. (The Brennkes and sabots beyond about 100 yards start to go slightly haywire). No change in accuracy at all for me. Dead on right out of the box too. I was a little let down because I really enjoy sighting in firearms... I didn't get to do that with the m4.
I've said before that I really think (at least my particular shotgun) will ignite primer'ed dirt and shoot a rock chip dead straight and center.
IMO, you do not need a rifled choke and a sabot but there's no harm in it. If you want to shoot slugs, I'd say stick with the Win rifled super-Xs. I've put several hundred through mine. They're not $$$$$$$$$$ and shoot well. With the modified choke though, you will be cleaning a bit more. I got tired of it and now swap to a cylinder with the slugs... takes all of 10 seconds to switch.
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I do not believe that the OEM components can be put back on the shotgun by the new owner as it would then no longer be 922r compliant - it has been modified and sold as such, and they would be modifying/assembling the shotgun again, this time with the imported parts. Assembling the weapon is the no no with 922r. Obviously that would be up to the interpretation of the particular ATF branch closest to the new owner... At any rate, GLWS. I hope it meets your reserve price and the new owner enjoys it.The value is in the receiver, box, and stickers all matching. I have and am sending all of the original parts to whom ever buys the gun. However, some people do not understand that it "is" legal for a civilian to own in the original configuration, so I thought I would make it legally acceptable, by making it 922r compliant, for anyone that was interested, regardless of their belief. It has already gone to auction and has been bid on so someone will receive an extremely nice. rare, and collectable shotgun. -
IMHO, you have decreased the value of the "real" LE model by adding the CC tube, G-hammer and FFT fore end... it is no longer a "real" LE model. 922r says nothing about owning the weapon, just assembling the weapon and Benelli did that with the LE model. There is nothing that I know of that keeps a civilian from owning the LE model (dependent of course that you don't live in a restricted area such as Kalipornia). I'm not saying that any of the changes you have made are bad, but you have turned your shotgun into an LE model clone, no different than any other C-stock, extended mag, hammer swapped model with an aftermarket stock-clone fore end, except, of course, for the sticker on the box.
Maybe if you still have the original parts to go along with it or if you change the title to an "upgraded M4" instead of a "real LE model", you will sell it for your asking price.
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FYI - Killeen = Ft. Hood, and sometimes troops at Ft. Hood unload their stuff at bargain basement prices) -
http://texasguntrader.com/index.php?a=2&b=419171
The M4 pictured is NOT a military (or ex-military) piece.
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The center cut out allows visualization of a "ghost load" and it makes the lifter lighter
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The video is listed as "private".
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How many rounds through it?
What was it used for?
How often was it cleaned?
How was it stored?
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I clean any firearm after each use but I rarely wash my car.
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But it was modified, doesn't that take away some value?
I would say it certainly does take away value... unless you find that one guy/gal who wants exactly what you have done. With a larger market, perhaps you would find that person... with the M4 market, I'm not so sure.
I want a field stock but would not pay MSRP for a modified version let alone an inflated "rarity" price.
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I'm not worried about 922r compliance, I'm worried about it being a gunfight-worthy stock.I agree with that!!!Not a 922r compliant stock made with foreign parts is what it states on the packages.
You have a dog in the fight... If you want to sell me one of the Benelli stocks for an equivalent price I'll take it... Some of us just don't have $500-600 to drop on a stock.
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is how they advertize the collapsible stock http://www.promagindustries.com/product-p/pm253.htm
I haven't seen the packaging in person so I can comment beyond what I've read.
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Just out of curiosity what kind of problems did you have with the Promag collapsible stock? I know that looks can be deceiving, but to look at it, it doesn't appear to be too awfully different from the OEM Benelli. I know the Benelli is bound to be better, but I am just wondering what kind of bad reviews the Promag has gotten. Anyone who has owned one care to say?
Zeke and several others were not unhappy with theirs: http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/29800-US-Made-Benelli-M4-Collapsible-Stock?highlight=promag
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I am selling diff ones the sec item I am selling is also for the Benelli M4 it is the Ext tube and I will also throw in the spring to go with it for $150.00 and the tube to fit the Ext is also $150.00. shipping is $7.00. not a bad price being as high as they are going for today. you can Email me for Pics if you can use I take paypal Thank you..
(1) --------------> (SOLD) Benelli M4 Full Length Tube 7+1 for $250.00
(2) Benelli M4 Ext for $150.00 + FREE Spring to go with it[ATTACH=CONFIG]2169[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]2170[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]2171[/ATTACH]
Seriously?
Again?
Why do you continue to create new threads that are just repeats of every other thread you have started on this forum?
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1412736
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/28080-Selling-parts-for-Benelli-M4
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/28128-Selling-parts-for-Benelli-M4
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/28783-M4-Full-Length-mag-tube-sale-more
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/31924-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/31949-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/31974-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/31981-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/32010-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/32047-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/32061-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/32095-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
Sheesh... enough already. Just bump one of your past exactly the same as this one threads.
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For many years I've been reading about Ghost Loading Benelli's. If you like to fool around at the range, then by all means have fun with that "extra round". If you depend on your Benelli to save your life or your families, then DON'T. Ghost Loading an extra shell works sometimes but mostly will jam up your shotgun. Once it's jammed, your done. You can't ask a criminal to please wait while you disasemble and put back together your Benelli. If you're trying to save your life and you haven't ended "the dance" with one or two shots, then I hope you have life insurance. Again, if you're fooling around at the range, get the +2 magazine extension, Ghost Load your Benelli and buy the speed load attachment.
USMC carrier loads. I don't know of a time that my HD needs for reliability with multiple shells would exceed that of the active duty Marines during combat. I have gone through several thousand carrier loads without a single hitch.
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14 threads started by Techhell. Of those 14 threads, 13 of them are about selling these items, most of which are exact repeats of a thread started 2-3 weeks earlier, then the fear mongering of the impending "ban" started...
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/search.php?searchid=1412736
It started with some parts for sale in Jan 2012, which turned out to be mag ext and mag tube...:
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/28080-Selling-parts-for-Benelli-M4
Then a month later, repeat that thread in a new thread:
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/28128-Selling-parts-for-Benelli-M4
Then two months after that a new thread with the same items for sale:
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/28783-M4-Full-Length-mag-tube-sale-more
Then the next 8 threads, all titled "Benelli M4 Full length tube + ext", started in Mar 2013 as an every 2-3 week copy and paste fest of the same mag tube and extension thread over and over, not that the first three were really any different. At some point, he sold one of the items but in the "copy/paste" creations of a new thread, didn't even pull out the sold item from the listing or title:
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/31924-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/31949-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/31974-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/31981-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/32010-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/32047-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/32061-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php/32095-Benelli-M4-Full-length-tube-ext
Then the fear mongering about a "ban" started with two more identical for sale threads, again selling the same thing and again being pretty much a copy/paste:
Bottom line is the forum needs a moderator to clean this up...
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I can pack a shell with dirt, a used tissue wadding and popcorn kernels and I swear it will fire from my M4.
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- Receiver
- Barrel
- Bolt
- Bolt carrier
- Gas piston
- Trigger housing
- Trigger
- Hammer
- Disconnector
- Buttstock (with integral pistol grip)
- Forearm/handguard (forend)
- Magazine body
- Follower
Your shotgun cannot contain more than 10 imported parts from that list which means typically you need to replace 3 in order for it to be compliant.
Since you are removing the OEM pistol grip stock (one piece) and replacing it with the OEM collapsible stock and pistol grip (two pieces), you now have 14 import pieces and need to change out 4.
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WTB: Surefire M80 Forend
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Kind of a d!ck move to scoop that, especially in someone else's WTB thread.