[What trigger kit for A&S M4?]

Briley’s gunsmith fit their hammer, trigger and disconnector to your trigger housing.  All the others are just parts you stick in your gun.

[M4 - charging button vs a square]

The thought of drilling and tapping a hole in such a small component and then hanging a lever off it never appealed to me.  Not that I couldn’t do it, it just seems a recipe for disaster.  Catch that lever on something and tear it off and what do you have?

I went with Dave’s Speedbar.  Offers the same ease of operation but is supported by the receiver and handguard, not the release button.  If I catch it on something and dick it up, I just loosen the barrel nut, remove the lever and stay in the game.  Your milage may vary.

http://www.davesmetalworks.com/m4.html

[Benelli M4 SBS Entry model owners. Worth it?]

7 hours ago, Morton said:

When I paid the ATF my tax and got an NFA stamp for a suppressor, did I sign away my right to demand a warrant to search my home?

No, you did not.  You are still entitled to the due process of law.

[Benelli M4 SBS Entry model owners. Worth it?]

4 hours ago, rubicon20032003 said:

Can’t you just send a let to atf to remove from registry.

Yes.  Although not necessary, if you’re selling it to another, it may not be a bad idea.  ATF would only need notice if that buyer planned to SBS that serial number.

The serial number is never removed from the registry, it’s just noted as no longer a title 2.

[Benelli M4 SBS Entry model owners. Worth it?]

1 hour ago, alpha 33 said:

 

Try out your theory. Swap your 14" barrel back to 18", take it to a gun shop and offer to sell it to them. Agree on a price, then tell them, "oh by the way  it's a registered SBS". I'm fairly certain they will kindly change their mind.

This would only prove the ignorance of the gun shop that may be interested in buying that receiver.  It would not prove that any laws were broken.

Read the link I provided above and learn.  That thread relates to the situation you are arguing.  Many who responded are current class 3 licenses.  None has put forward the argument you are making.

[Benelli M4 SBS Entry model owners. Worth it?]

1 hour ago, alpha 33 said:

I agree, you are free to bounce back and forth 14 to 18 to 14 and back. My point is that once registered as an SBS, the receiver will always be an SBS. All NFA rules,regulation and laws will forever follow that receiver.  You cannot put the 18 back on and sell the weapon  without a form 1 NFA tax stamp transfer.

Your statement “You cannot put the 18 back on and sell the weapon” is incorrect.  “Once a machine gun always a machine gun” is correct.  That is not true with short barreled rifles or shotguns.  How can it be a short barreled shotgun if it doesn’t have a short barrel?  It is what it is as it is configured at that moment.

A form 1 is the form used to make and register a title 2 firearm.  A form 4 is the form to transfer a title 2 from one individual or organization to another.  I make this statement not to be a dick, but to correct an inaccurate statement for those who may be interested in title 2 firearms.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/Deregistering-a-SBR-lower/17-522768/

[Benelli M4 SBS Entry model owners. Worth it?]

5 hours ago, Sukhoi_fan said:

Many years ago I hung out with a several Class 3 dealers, I recall them telling me that (we used to have a lot of local Class 3 dealers locally). They could've been referring only to their own license but the impression I got was if one has a tax stamp for full auto they're very interested in talking to you if a full auto is used locally in a crime, e.g. one owns a FA AK and a FA AK was used in an incident in the area, they would be very interested in talking to you about your AK. The impression they gave me was they would not be wanting to do a search of your home, it'd be more of a knock and talk, as in a "Show us the item and your tax stamp" situation. Still, I would not want to be on their radar with a tax stamp, I don't care what anyone says. IF anyone ever starts talking about having or wanting FA (or any other NFA item) I always ask: "You got a tax stamp for that/you plan on getting a tax stamp to acquire that?" If they answer in the negative I tell them to get the hell away from me with their criminal intent. The folks on the NFA registry are the first ones they will be coming to visit when it's time to step up their plans. If something is 'registered' then it's not yours - register comes from Latin regis which means "of the king."

ATF has the right to audit any dealer’s records to confirm they are correctly processing the paperwork and keeping the records required.  I had a class 3 FFL some 20 years ago.  While they can show up at your place of business unannounced for that audit, they always made an appointment.  They are not free to wander the premises, they’d need probable cause and a warrant to root through your property. Bad record keeping could be a cause for that warrant.  They will see a gun in the bound book and will ask you to provide it to them, confirm it matches the description on the form 4, and then ask for the next. They had a policy of auditing class 3 dealers on an annual basis.  But this process, although more often then “regular” dealers, is the same for both.

 

When I sold my last title 2 and noted its disposal in my bound book I did not renew my Special Occupational Tax.  Then ATF came for their annual audit they stated I had not renewed my SOT.  I indicated I no longer had title 2s on the books and that was the end of that.  I kept my “standard” FFL for a few more years and then closed that as well and shipped the bound book off to the FFL out of business address.

As an individual or non-licensee who happens to own a title 2 firearm, your rights are the same as any other gun owning individual. Probable cause is required to search your home.

[Benelli M4 SBS Entry model owners. Worth it?]

7 hours ago, JTs M4 said:

So If you bought the short entry barrel and got a stamp you could switch the barrels back and forth anytime you choose ? when you use the entry barrel what do you use as the mag tube ? do you just take the extension off ??  

Switch back and forth as you wish.  If an SBS is illegal in a state where you wish to take the shotgun, then put an 18 on it.  I’ve never thought to go back to an 18 on mine, but if I did, I figured I’d just put a +2 extension on.

[Benelli M4 SBS Entry model owners. Worth it?]

The misinformation with title 2 firearms never ceases to amaze me.

It is only a short barreled shotgun when it has a short barrel.  Put an 18 on it and it is not a short barreled shotgun.  Take it anywhere a shotgun is legal, even sell it with the 18 if you like.  NFA would like to know it’s been “converted” back to a title 1, but that isn’t even necessary.  Unlike machine guns and NFA’s “once a machine gun always a machine gun” position, an SBS or SBR is only a title 2 when configured as a title 2.

You do not give up any rights.  .gov can’t come into your home anytime they wish.  Still America folks, probable cause and a warrant is necessary to enter your home.

[Anyone have a M4 trigger kit they can give me a good deal on? New or used makes no difference. Prefer Freedom Fighter Tactical]

I thought I was quite fair with this offer.

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All the desirable aftermarket/922r compliant parts assembled by Briley’s professional gunsmiths, ready to drop into your gun.  Sell your original trigger pack for $125 and you just broke even without the wait.  But no one bit.  It’s back on my shelf, I have pleanty of room.

[For sale: FFT 922(r) fire control group & mag follower]

Have you ever been named the defendant in a lawsuit?  Even when you win, you loose.  The plaintiff's lawyer will name every person and organization even remotely connected.  They do this to maximize the available purse.  I was told "They will let the court determine who is responsible."  No judge will make a summary judgement.  The judge will let the suit wander through the court system to it's final conclusion.  This modus operandi maximizes the fees for lawyers on both sides.

My firm was named defendant in a $25,000.00 lawsuit.  My Errors and Omissions insurance paid for my defense team.  I never saw their bill.  I am sure it was substantial.  After arbitration my defense team settled at $617.00.  This to make it go away and close it out.  I was angry the plaintiff received any money from me or my insurance company.  But I also understand this was a monetary decision to stop my insurance company from paying any more in my defense.  My lawyer told me the arbitrator was a professor at UC'S College of Law.  He presented the case to his students.  They had a hard time accepting the plaintiff's claim.  A case that should never been made ran up lawyer fees on both side to a substantial amount.

Would you like to buy into all this for a mere $240.00?  Knock yourself out.  There are some gun parts I do not mind selling.  These parts will sit on the shelf and in a year likely land in the trash.  A damn shame.  I know there are folks who would like the parts.  Blame the lawyers.

Matt

[Briley Trigger Issue on M4]

I just got mine back today.  While I have not installed it yet, I squeezed the trigger and trigger guard loop has hard as I could with two fingers and it did not release.  I also tried multiple times, still no release.

Do you have a plastic trigger housing?  Flex in the housing?

Matt

[For sale: FFT 922(r) fire control group & mag follower]

With the lost trigger group, I had to buy another to replace it.  The replacement from Numrich Arms was an early alloy housing trigger assembly.  I had already purchased a second A&S trigger housing, so I am going to build a spare on the Benelli alloy housing using these fire control parts.

Matt

[For sale: FFT 922(r) fire control group & mag follower]

Actually it has, but at my end not the other.  Someone pointed out to me that being in the distribution of firearm parts, particularly triggers and hammers, incurs liability.  At the $240 sale price, it wasn’t worth the risk.  The items are no longer for sale, but I am unable to edit the original post and thread title.

my apologies to the gentlemen who contacted me, I really did not wish to back out from the deal, but this was too serious a matter to go forward with the transaction.

Matt

[Mesa Tactical pistol grip push button sling attachment]

Funny, I have the Midwest Industries QD mount on the tailstock as well.  Also placing it on the side opposite my body so the sling will cause the gun to roll into rather than away from your body.  Opposite side also keeps the sling from getting trapped between your body and the gun when shouldered.  The only thing that makes it problematic is the rubber buttpad grabs the sling and it doesn’t naturally rotate out of the way when you shoulder the firearm.  The same mount on an AR doesn’t have that problem.

For the front mount I used the Mesa Tactical magazine tube extension ring.  With a QD sling swivel on one end and an HK hook on the other end of the sling I can readily switch from single to two point sling attachment.

https://freedomfightertactical.com/collections/benelli-m4-tactical-shotgun-parts-and-accessories/products/mesa-tactical-hook-loop-for-magazine-extension-for-the-benelli-m4-and-m2-shotgun-90750

https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/QD-Rear-Sling-Adapter-for-6-position-CAR-M4-Stock-p/mctar-10.htm

Matt

[Mesa Tactical pistol grip push button sling attachment]

The 6-32 flat head, hex drive screws, $9.47 per 100 https://www.mcmaster.com/91253A146

6-32 Helicoil insert kit, $37.63.  I used the inserts included with the kit. https://www.mcmaster.com/91732A906

6-32 Helicoil bottoming tap $20.83 https://www.mcmaster.com/91709A416

1/2 inch diameter counterbore $27.24 https://www.mcmaster.com/3102A19

5/32 inch counterbore pilot $6.00 https://www.mcmaster.com/3103A17

[Mesa Tactical pistol grip push button sling attachment]

Seating the sling base.  It is a little tight with the counterbore I used.  By driving it in this way, nothing was damaged nor marred.

Put a drop of blue Loc-tite on the 6-32 screw and tighten it into the block holding the block and sling base in place.

 

Drive in the 1/2 piece of the old roll pin and you are finished.

 

The last post will be the item numbers for scres and tools I purchased from McMaster-Carr.  https://www.mcmaster.com/

[Mesa Tactical pistol grip push button sling attachment]

De-buring the hole.  You probably don't need to do this, but I have the tool, so I did.

 

The block inserted back into the pistil grip aligned with the 1/2 inch hole.

[Mesa Tactical pistol grip push button sling attachment]

Drilling the 1/2 inch hole for the sling swivel base.  Be sure the bit penetrates half way into the plastic pisol grip,  You want the sling base resting on the steel block and not any plastic.

[Mesa Tactical pistol grip push button sling attachment]

The steel block with the insert.

How the pieces relate to the block.  I have already cut the roll pin in half.

 

Now on to the pistol grip.

[Mesa Tactical pistol grip push button sling attachment]

Start by driving out the roll pin and removing the small block of steel.  We are going to screw a 6-32 screw halfway into the block.  The other half will get part of the roll pin re-installed.

The hole is too large to directly thread with a 6-32 tap.  But it is perfect for a 6-32 Helicoil.  Here I am starting the Helicoil tap into the block.  I'm using my vertical mill so I know it is started square.  You don't have to do this, I did because I had the mill available to me.  Once started I finished the thread with a standard tap holder.  The white dot is so I can keep track of what half gets threaded.

 

Since we are only going half way into the block for the thread, I also bought a bottoming tap.  This picture is how I marked the depth to run the taps.

 

[Mesa Tactical pistol grip push button sling attachment]

I like to sling a long gun single point near the pistol grip.  Think lower receiver endplate on an AR.  Mesa Tactical made a sling specifically for the Benelli M4, but apparently it was so difficult to install, they discontinued it.  Freedom Fighter Tactical bought their entire inventory, but when you go to the item page, there are warnings you're on your own if you buy it.  Flashing cop lights and all.  The problem is once installed as intended it sticks way out from the side of the pistol grip.

https://freedomfightertactical.com/collections/benelli-m4-tactical-shotgun-parts-and-accessories/products/mesa-tactical-push-button-sling-swivel-for-benelli-m4-collapsible-stock-m4-part-91330

This picture shows how Mesa Tactical intended you to arrange the parts and install them.

I'm going to show you how to do this, the difference is significant.  Now it works for me.

FFT describes this item as"...discontinued and will be highly sought after in the years to come."  I agree, once you sink it into the pistol grip.

More in a moment. I'm going to post this all in a few separate posts.

Matt

 

 

[For sale: FFT 922(r) fire control group & mag follower]

Sale pending.

Matt

[For sale: FFT 922(r) fire control group & mag follower]

For sale is an unused Freedom Fighter Tactical 922(r) compliant fire control group, including the trigger, disconnector and hammer.  Also included is a FFT red magazine follower.  Parts are new and unused.  Yeah, I should have installed these in that trigger assembly that has gone MIA and I wouldn't be in that situation, but I'm still committed to getting Briley's FCG.  I recognize I am new here.  If you are a long term forum member, I will send you the parts and once you receive them you will Paypal friends me $240.00.  Stiff me and I shall scream your treachery from the highest mountain.  Thanks,

Matt

 

[Someone stole my M4 trigger assembly]

Thank you all for the info/links and support.  I have hope it will turn out okay.  Benelli did send me a list of suggested suppliers, Numrich Arms/Gun Parts does show the assembly in stock.

With the Ducs, I did leave that to the mechanics.  I didn’t have the inclination or tools to set valve clearances on a desmoquattro or testastretta.  Fortunately, the mechanic was also FAA licensed and was extremely anal in his approach.

Matt