JE3146
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Just now, GTTom said:
Man that stinks. Hopefully ShootingSight will take it back and refund your money. Maybe reinstall the Benelli hammer and get a different USA part towards 922R compliance? I went with FFT trigger pack and A&S tiger guard. Everything fits awesome. Really love the quality A&S trigger guard.
As I said, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. The quality of the product was outstanding and I like the specs of it, it just didn't fit. If I don't get a response to this e-mail, I'll try calling on Monday now that I have some more definitive data. Next step would be the FFT trigger pack, especially if it lightens the pull a bit.
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On 9/10/2020 at 3:42 PM, StrangerDanger said:
I believe that Benelli is modifying the hammer to fit their wildly out of spec polymer trigger frames. I believe the trigger bushing pin hole and the front trigger pin has a lot of tolerance issues.
Which leads me to recommend leaving it stock if you’re using the polymer frame. The old oem aluminum frames were good for an aftermarket host. The A&S definitely works well with them. I have little use for their loading ramp design, but the rest of the frame is build superior to anything Benelli has ever made. The aluminum OEM frames were very roughly cast with lots of molding flashing.
Well, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but this hammer does not function with the A&S trigger guard either. Same issue as with the polymer. I knew when I lined up the holes on the trigger guards and saw they were identical it wouldn't work, but attempted anyway. So either my hammer is out of spec, or the batch is, or they all are. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's frustrating to say the least. I'm going to try emailing him again and see what he says. I got no response last time.
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48 minutes ago, StrangerDanger said:
I believe that Benelli is modifying the hammer to fit their wildly out of spec polymer trigger frames. I believe the trigger bushing pin hole and the front trigger pin has a lot of tolerance issues.
Which leads me to recommend leaving it stock if you’re using the polymer frame. The old oem aluminum frames were good for an aftermarket host. The A&S definitely works well with them. I have little use for their loading ramp design, but the rest of the frame is build superior to anything Benelli has ever made. The aluminum OEM frames were very roughly cast with lots of molding flashing.
Stock is difficult with 922r with a collapsible. I'll look into the updated trigger guard. That'll give me 4 pieces after hammer/trigger guard/tube and follower.
This gun is like a fire pit that burns money.
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2 hours ago, StrangerDanger said:
Width of the hammer will have issues in those plastic frames too. Not just ShooterSight’s hammers either.
You can file the channel of the frame open more to permit clearance.
See my above reply. I mispoke about width being the dimension I was confused about. When overlaying the stock hammer and the replacement hammer, they are different dimensions.
2 hours ago, GTTom said:Sorry I see that I used the wrong terminology. You were indeed referring to the hammer not the trigger. I think your problem is actually the catch end does look different (larger area) then the original. I just replaced my trigger group (hammer, sear, trigger) with the kit from FFT and laid my hammer on top of the original part and it was exactly the same size/shape. I did use the A&S Trigger guard to replace the polymer Benelli piece and I am impressed with the fit and finish of the A&S part. I can't say if the Shooting Sight part is out of spec or if the polymer trigger housing is causing the new part to be slightly out of alignment.
Yes, sorry. Those two hammers are lined up hole to hole and I tried my best to capture the variance on that edge without too much optical distortion. That's why I fear the A&S could possibly not be a solution if the trigger/disconnector are setup for a 'shorter' hammer? This is all really puzzling why they would vary.
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18 minutes ago, GTTom said:
It sounds like you may be talking about something different than what strangerdanger if referring to. Is the interference due to the thickness of the piece as in the width or more like the shape? There have been issues with the other manufacturers triggers being too thick on width causing friction in the pieces rubbing in the polymer frame. But yours looks like the trigger design is slightly bigger than the original trigger in the catch area.
Yes, that's correct. Sorry for the confusion. Width was the wrong word to use. I'm the wrong kind of engineer for this discussion lol. The shape of the ShootingSight hammer looks.. larger... extended.. more than the factory. So since it's 'longer', when releasing the trigger the disconnector, won't release it. Get's hung up there. If the angle of the disconnector were different this wouldn't be an issue. My assumption is the angle of the shelf the disconnector rests on is different on the metal trigger guard, and also the A&S.
EDIT:: Guess that'shelf is the trigger itself. Maybe it's a pin that's in a different place? I guess my fear is if my hammer is different, is my trigger different too?
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2 hours ago, StrangerDanger said:
I advise everyone to get rid of the oem polymer trigger frames. They’re crap. They’re nothing but out of spec problems across the board Which requires Benelli to fit their trigger kits to it.
I bet if you got an A&S Engineering frame, all your issues would be resolved.
Can anyone confirm this with certainty? I'd prefer not to purchase a second expensive piece chasing fitment only to find myself back at square one. Really wish websites would state that it will not work with the polymer guard. That's a useful bit of information.
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So I ordered one of the hammers and unfortunately the dimensions don't match the hammer that was installed on my new production 11707 with polymer trigger guard. Is this a known issue? I sent an e-mail a bit ago and never received a reply.
Basically the additional, we'll call it... width.. for lack of a proper term, gets it hung up on the disconnector, preventing it from releasing. I mean can grind this down to fit, but seeing as it was promised as drop-in, I'm confused by this. Anyone else have this issue?
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Sounds like a good day.
My first experience with the M4 came after teaching a friend to shoot for the first time. She did surprisingly well with a shotgun and much to me trying to convince her to otherwise due to LOP issues, weight and magazine capacity, she just felt most comfortable with it. So she asked what the best shotgun money could buy was, and I just said Benelli M4. Next range trip, much to my surprise she showed up with an H20 M4 and let me put a few boxes through it. She said my grin went ear to ear. Guess who just recently bought an 11707 for himself and now just joined a Benelli forum. So ya... you may very well have cost that RSO some money lol... These things are contagious.
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Yup, function tests fine with the OEM hammer in the A&S.