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    M4 > loose choke and surefire forend

    in Benelli

    Posted

    Hello folks.

     

    Two things... First is My modified choke comes loose every time I shoot slugs and buckshot out of me shotty. What color/strength locktite would you all reccomend to keep that sucker in there? Or should I just get and IC choke instead of the M?

     

    Secondly. Surefire's website has no info on the forend...where can I get one?

     

    Thanks all!

     

    -Fett

    11707 no longer being sold to civis ?!

    in Benelli

    Posted

    MrMP, you may not realize that there have been multiple versions of the M4/M1014 offered by Benelli.

     

    In fact the only civilian model recently offered has been the 11707, which comes from the factory with the pistol grip stock over the fully milled spring tube. It does not have an 'adjustable stock', merely a milled tube which can accept a skeleton stock and would allow said to collapse if used. The newest offering with the desert camo is the 11717, though Benelli's site does not indicate if there are any additional changes.

     

    The civilian shotgun generally referred to as the "M1014" was a limited edition commemorative model (i.e. 1 of 2500) first offered to the civilian market as model 11701. This had a a U.S. flag engraved on the receiver and featured the two port, non-screw-in choke barrel (modified). It had an unmilled spring tube and the skeleton stock, which due to the lack of milling, would not collapse. The stock would rotate and move slightly forward (about an inch) during the installation/removal process, which was the reason CA DOJ sent a letter 'recommending' that sales stop in this state. It was not actively prohibited from sales in most other states however, and was still available on the used market here in CA (as how I acquired mine last year).

     

    Concurrent with and then following the 11701, Benelli offered the 11703 model which again featured the unmilled spring tube but now came with a pistol grip stock. The bigger changes with this model came with the barrel, which now had screw-in choke tubes and came with 4 larger gas ports and modified gas plugs for use with 'low recoil rounds'. Per Benelli, this change to the gas system was done to ensure the guns would still function when the public at large began shooting birdshot through their mil-spec guns. After some failures with bolt carriers when using full power loads and an ongoing denial by Benelli that there was a problem, they finally began quietly replacing customer's barrels with two port, screw-in choke barrels when requested.

     

    Catalog listings at this time also show a 11702 (same as 11703 but with standard stock) and a 11705 (same as 11703 but with non-collapsing skeleton stock - think M1014 without the US flag), but I do not know how prevalent these were compared to the 11703. Other sources also show the 14" entry barreled versions as 11722-24.

     

    With all the confusion over barrel and stock combinations, it seems Benelli thinned the herd and did some product consolidation into the one version now seen as the 11707. As stated, this utilizes the standard two port barrel, doing away with the low recoil barrel fiasco of the 11703. It features the milled spring tube (allowing collapse of the skelton stock where available) yet comes with the pistol grip stock making it legal from the box in states such as CA. With this model also came some changes to the barrel extension, with an added collar that butts against the receiver and an added 'wing' to the rear which matches the inner profile of the ejection port.

     

    Despite proclamations that the limited edition M1014 had a "heavy" military barrel while latter civilian models had lightweight barrels, measuring all three types in my possession have shown identical dimensions from the receiver to the muzzle. The gross changes seem to be the gas ports/plugs, screw-in chokes and now barrel extensions. Combining the civilian, military, entry and prototypes examples in print, that brings the total to at least six barrels styles offered over the years that I can determine. I guess make it seven now with Desert Camo ! The Benelli M4 is everchanging.

     

    A mod should seriously, most definately copy this post and sticky it somewhere. This post would have saved me hours when I first dived into these forums. STA you are a beautiful specimen and I will light a candle for you tonight before bed.

    Relax! We Can All Breathe Again!!!1!!11!1

    in Benelli

    Posted

    I think there must have been a miscomunication to the CS people that the gun itself was no longer for civilians as opposed to just the stocks.

     

    I had trouble believeing that the M4 would not be sold anymore. That would have been a terrible buisness decision.

     

    If you are going to call Benelli, ask the CS person for their supervisor. Thats the only real way to get good info. Go higher up, **** ask fro somebody in national sales or whatever. Im not listeneing to the regula CS folks anymore.

    Relax! We Can All Breathe Again!!!1!!11!1

    in Benelli

    Posted

    OK EVERYBODY!

     

    By a miracle, I got through to benelli CS after 15 minutes.

     

    The CS agent said the model 11707 would continue to be sold to civilians with fixed pistol grip stock and 2 port barrel.

     

    I asked her if I could talk to the CS supervisor/manager to verify this and because I wanted higher up since that was a 1 in a trillion chance I got through.

     

    The CS Supervisor definately knew what she was talking about. She confirmed the 11707 going to be produced for civilian market for a very long time!!!! :)

     

     

    I took the oppertunity to clarify some other questions that I have definately been confused about before.

     

     

    She says that aside from the fixed skelestocks for the limited edition m1014s, there has only been 1 model skelestock produced.

     

    She also confirmed that the 4 port low recoil barrels have been smelted and are dead.

     

    And finally (DRUMROLE) She unfortunately confirmed that the skelestocks are definately for law enforcement only as of now.

     

    This is legit from a supervisor.

     

    End :)

    ! Absolute Nonsense - The M4 And You !

    in Benelli

    Posted

    I have attempted to contact Benelli via telephone many many times over the last month. At one point, during regular hours, I was on hold for 2 hours. I hung up. They have not responded to emails either.

     

    I have been trying to get a few peices of informantion that none of my local FFL dealers seem to know, and none of them have been willing to concat Benelli for a few months now because of the lousy communication accesibility.

     

    I also contacted SWATmag about their recent review on the M4 and how uninformative and short it was. It was possibly the least useful-to-the-consumer article I have ever read.

     

    What I have been trying to figure out is...

     

    1-Is the model 11707 going to be continued for civilian sales?

     

    2-Is the collapsable skeletonstock going to be continued for civilian sales?

     

    3-How many variations of the skeletonstock have been made and what are their part numbers? (I have gathered there has been the fixed skelestock, the 2 position collapsable skelestock, and the 3 position collapsable skeletock)

     

    4-If Benelli is a big corporation with a military contract, why is there such a thick shroud of misinformation surrounding one of their weapons

     

    I would appreciate any solid information that could help.

     

    I WOULD ALSO APPRECIATE IF SOMEBODY COULD POINT ME TO TELESCOPING STOCKS!

     

    I do not care about the price anymore because I'm just overwhelmed and frustrated. At this point I'd give one of my testicles for a telestock because I'm just going to assume that they'll never be offered again until I'm told different.

     

    :) and sorry in advance if this was a waste of your time...I've spent at least 20 hours on these forums reading old threads over the last month and am still lost.

    Speculation on Federal regulations - Benelli M4

    in Benelli

    Posted

    Good call. Since I'm new to the forums, and to Benelli guns (as well as the heavy research that comes with them) I guess I was just trying to find the easy way.

     

    :(

     

    Oh well, I've done a search for "M4" and am currently working my way through time, reading every thread. I'm on page 11 of 16 or something like that. Just too much to process...

    Speculation on Federal regulations - Benelli M4

    in Benelli

    Posted

    http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=1&t=200567

     

    They shut the thread down to end speculation.

     

    I'm looking FOR speculation.

     

    From what I collect out of this letter is that the Benelli M4 (with pistol grip) is an illegal weapon because it has 11 imported parts...correct?

     

    And the magazine tube extension would make the grand total 12 imported parts right..?

     

    I'm sure this has been adressed, but it should probably be tacked up somewhere.

     

    What is the real deal with the Feds and the M4?

     

    -Fett :confused:

     

    [ 10-09-2006, 03:17 PM: Message edited by: Fett Tracking ]

    M4/M1014 magazine extensions - help!

    in Benelli

    Posted

    Ok,

     

    Before anybody starts pounding at their keyboards, I'd like to say that I have been reading on this forum for the bast 2-3 hours straight and have read many threads on mag extensions. It is just a shitload of info to process and I'd really like for it to be broken down.

     

    Everybody and their mother seems to be offering a magazine extension for the M4/M1014 now. Especially since Benelli is no longer offering them to civillians.

     

    I would like to know some highly reccomended American -made extensions and some links to purchase them. I'm not looking for the cheapest, just good quality.

     

    Thanks for any input.

     

    -Fett

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