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  1. Will do! Gotta find a Surefire forend for this one, but it comes with the extended mag, sidesaddle, and factory sling. Looks pretty sharp in the pics he listed.

     

    Payment arrived Wednesday, and my FFL got everything rolling with his FFL yesterday, so it should be here this coming Monday or Tuesday - can't wait! :D

    War Wagon (cool handle, BTW) welcome to the forum!

     

    Just so happens that I have a SureFire forend for an M1S90 that I'd be happy to sell to you for a great price. See: http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18749. I would be happy to provide you with photos if you're interested.

     

    Back in the day, I ran a number of M1S90s in courses and such, and thus bought a spare. This one looks brand new, and may have never been used but I can't guarantee that because I just don't recall. At any rate, it looks new to me.

     

    I sold it once to a very nice guy on this forum, but it didn't fit his 90...apparently there were some variations in design over the years and mine was either too long or too short, don't recall. So of course I gave him his money back, no questions asked. If you're interested, the price will remain at $150 + $10 shipping. You'll see on the thread that I provided above that this is a VERY good price. Not out to gouge anyone. Again, if it doesn't fit your gun or if you're not happy with it in any way, let me know within a few days and I'll of course refund your $150 gladly.

     

    Cheers!

  2. Rob,

    I spent the better part of an hour putting together a detailed answer to your post. When I submitted it, it timed out and everything I wrote was lost.

     

    I will summarize very quickly. Louis Awerbuck wrote a book titled 'The Defensive Shotgun: Techniques & Tactics', which I highly recommend. If you can find it, you will see that he is on the cover with a pump shotgun. I am a longtime member of Brian Enos' forum, and you are apparently not aware of the many complaints that competitive shotgun shooters have about the malfunctions of their semiautos. All else being equal, semiautos are faster, so competitors use them. Of course you are correct about that. But what you neglect to acknowledge is that when you're shooting for a ribbon you can readily risk the possibility of your lightning-fast, highly modified semi failing, but you do not have that luxury when your life is on the line. That is one reason that the most common shotgun used by law enforcement is the Remington 870. I happen to have a Rem 870 Police myself. Check out Wilson Combat's site. Note that the only 3 shotguns that they offer are PUMPS.

     

    As to who provided my training, I've had a number of instructors, but my 3 favorite instructors are:

    Hershel Davis, USN SEAL Command Master Chief (Ret.), Gunsite, Class 260 Tactical Shotgun (I earned Marksman). If you'd like I can provide you with a photo of Hershel and me at Gunsite. You'd like it because I'm holding my M1S90 that I used in the class.

    Al Clark, USN SEAL (Ret.), former director of training, Blackwater Training Center and lead instructor of my tactical shotgun course. He signed my certificate if you require proof.

    Dale McLellan, USN SEAL (Ret.), current CEO of Special Tactical Services, formerly of Blackwater Training Center, assistant instructor of my shotgun class

     

    It may interest you to know that Al and Dale used a base model 870 to instruct our class, and they tore us up on the ranges despite the fact that we were using semis. They jokingly called our M1S90s 'ninja guns'.

     

    Clint Smith and others in the business have stated the obvious fact that it is the man, not the tool.

     

    I hope this provides clarification for you.

  3. Did I write anything about shell carriers or anything else of your mall ninja stuff?
    Oh boy, this is getting better by the second. But...since you asked...here you go Mr. Tacticool:

     

    From the thread Meprolight for M4 question

    I do have an aimpoint micro t1, but I want a backup. That's why I want night sights.
    From the thread any news on carriercomp's tactical charging handle?
    how about carriercomp.com?Did you see these already?
    From the thread Titanium SBS Length Mag Tubes in Stock
    anyone using the King Armory breacher choke? does it really reduce muzzle flash?
    From the thread C-Stocks Back in Stock?
    Are there any other differences between the 07, 17 and 24? If so, how do I find out which one I have?
    LOL. A breacher choke? Really?

     

    So you got your tactical light, your tactical collapsing stock, your tactical charging handle and best of all, your Tactical Breacher.

     

    Sorry to have to embarrass you, but be careful where you throw down gauntlets...you may just get slapped. And by all means...be careful breaching those doors!

  4. Lol, you stated that you'd rather use a pump for HD than a semi-auto. I wish you the best of luck, don't die tryin.
    I absolutely would. I love semiautos, but I guarantee that a trained person with a pump would have you in tears in a competition with you and your tacticool mallninjagunshopcommandopimpedout semiauto that you're afraid to shoot because you don't want to scratch your gold-plated 'tactical' safety, 'tactical' flashlight, 'tactical' optics, 'tactical' sling and 'tactical' collapsible stock. I bet you wear tiger stripes to the range. :rolleyes:

     

    Maybe you're a teenager, in which case I can understand you getting all puffed up like a bullfrog.

     

    I'll leave it at that.

  5. Whom, exactly?:cool:

     

    While I will agree on the lack of need for the uber-Ninja railedreddottedsidesadledcollapsingstocksinglpointslingXRail zombie gun, your thoughts on lighting are around 15 years behind current shotgun philosophy and practice.

    Is that so? Please post your authoritative source on 'current shotgun philosophy and practice'. Thank you.
    Well maintained, "major maker" semis have no deficits in comparison to pumps, using defensive rounds, and at the entry level (i.e.,Moss 930) are arguably consistently more reliable than pumps (870 Express).
    We certainly disagree on this.
  6. @m4p226n:

    You really seem to have profound knowledge of the Benelli M4, f.e. how many malfunctions are related to the weight of the gun. Are you really so ignorant? The M4 is a gas operated shotgun, and it isn't affected by weight.

    And are you honestly trying to tell us, that you will outshoot the M4 with a pump? I'd love to see you try. No matter what pump you bring up, and no matter how fast you can pump it, the semi auto will win.

    How about you start trolling somewhere else?

    First of all, my suggestions were not specifically in reference to the M4. Re-read the title of this thread: 'Shell Carriers and other Tacticool stuff'. Since this is after all a Benelli forum and we're talking about Benellis, I'd like to remind you that although the M4 is of course gas-operated (duh), the M4 is not the only shotgun that Benelli makes. Perhaps you are ignorant of this fact, and unencumbered by any knowledge about any Benelli shotguns other than the M4, so I'll give you some homework: google Benelli M1S90, Benelli M2, and Benelli M3, all of which are recoil-operated. Go to the Benelli website and click on Models. Notice the many recoil-operated choices. So perhaps I'm not so ignorant after all. :)

     

    As for trolling, I've been a member of this forum for longer than you have, and although I apparently hurt your feelings, :( you will get over it, don't worry.

     

    Lastly, I have absolutely no idea where you came up with the notion that I in any way stated, implicitly or explicitly, that pumps were faster than semiautos. I would appreciate it if you didn't create straw men.

  7. StrangerDanger,

    It's clear to me now that you did not mean bugout. I have no desire to argue only for the sake of arguing, and I accept your explanation. Thank you for your clarification, and for the most part I agree with your point.

    Since you haven't figured out how to aim the weapon at the ground with the weapon light in order to illuminate a threat without putting the muzzle on them, how do you propose seeing in the dark to identify the targets?
    But as to how I will identify targets in the dark, this is a fair question and I'm happy to provide my perspective which will hopefully clarify my position. As you know there is a divergence of opinion about whether or not lights on a weapon are a good idea, especially in different scenarios. In no way am I implying that my way is the only way, I am simply offering my own perspective. Reasonable people can disagree. For the sake of discussion, I am referring to a HD situation vis a vis a law enforcement or military scenario.

    This is what I said about this particular issue:

    Please consider the following:

    3) Remember that if you are going to put a light on your shotgun to identify your target, you will have to point your weapon at your target to do so; if you have children in your your house, ask yourself if you want to violate Rule 2 before you put a light on your HD weapon.

    Here is my perspective: while you are illuminating the ground, you are also indirectly illuminating and silhouetting yourself and thereby unmistakably announcing your presence to the BG - hopefully while you're illuminating the floor, you won't see the BG standing in front of you smiling with his Glock pointed at your head. You will also cause yourself to experience momentary night-blindness even though you are pointing the light away from you. If you disagree, try this little experiment: allow your eyes to adjust to darkness at night sometime, and shine a 100 lumen flashlight at the floor in front of you. You will see that your night vision will momentarily be diminished.

    Furthermore, it is rare that there will be total darkness in your home with absolutely no ambient light.

    Lastly, this is irrelevant if you do not have other household members. If it's just you and your wife, and your wife is in your bed next to you when you are confronted with another person in your home, it is completely reasonable to assume that the person is an intruder and therefore is a threat to kill you or do you great bodily harm.

    It is a misconception that this is a settled matter. There is disagreement among knowledgeable and rational people. I changed my own opinion on this after talking specifically with one of my instructors at Blackwater years ago about this very thing. As a matter of fact, I trained with a Sure Fire forend light with a pressure switch on an M1S90 that I used at a tactical shotgun course in 1995. I no longer use it for the reasons I mentioned, and I still have the forend. If you would like, I would be happy to sell it to you at an extreme discount. :)

    I hope that this helps to clarify my own personal position on this matter for you.

  8. needncash wrote:

    You might not agree but that does not give you an invitation to insert your foot into your mouth.

     

    If someone kicks in my front door they will find me without shoes or clothes but I will have a firearm. So, no I won't be running outdoors barefoot but I dont sleep in boots either.

    I'm glad that to hear that you don't sleep in your boots. That's good to know.

     

    strangerdanger wrote:

    Reading comprehension is key.

     

    Reminds me, I need to buy more rail grease for my M4 to avoid catastrophic failure. Thanks!

     

    The function of your M4 and the rails that your bolt slides on will benefit greatly by your decision to buy more grease but having owned numerous M4s (and having run many M models over the past 15 years or so) I can assure you that you need lose no sleep over catastrophic failure. That can only happen if you shoot without your shoes on. :)

     

    To bring to bear the real issue here, let's explore your post again to address what you actually said, not what you may have meant.

     

    My initial response was specifically directed toward your statement below, emphasis added by me:

    The only benefit to having a shell carrier is to have the rounds on the weapon fir a quick grab and go situation. Such cases, you don't have several minutes to gear up. You'd be lucky to have shoes honestly.

     

    7 or 8 rounds of 12 gauge should do most jobs though honestly. I do not want the added bulk and weight associated with a weapon mounted carrier. I do not care about the overall weight of the weapon because it is heavy. I care that the weight is slowing my reaction time down, or impeding my ability to shoulder the weapon for long periods of time.

    If by grab and go you meant someone kicking down your door in the middle of the night, I would have agreed with your statement. But as you know, words mean things, and if you were simply speaking of an immediate home defense scenario, you would have no need to 'shoulder the weapon for long periods of time'. That comment is inconsistent with your assertion that you were talking about a HD scenario (unless of course you live in a castle with 70,000sf and anticipate that it may take an hour for the BG to find you). Short of that, your comment is a non sequitur.

     

    Therefore, even someone with my...uh...suboptimal reading comprehension :) might reasonably interpret what you wrote to mean a 'bugout' situation, not a HD scenario.

  9. The only benefit to having a shell carrier is to have the rounds on the weapon fir a quick grab and go situation. Such cases, you don't have several minutes to gear up. You'd be lucky to have shoes honestly.
    This bizarre comment pegs out the BS meter and seriously misleads the OP.

     

    Let me add some common sense here: if you're worried about a grab and go, you simply stick a bandoleer full of shells next to wherever you keep your gun, and take the extra .000001 second that it would require to move your hand the extra inch to pick up the bandoleer in the same motion that you pick up the shotgun.

     

    EDIT TO ADD: Please consider the following:

    1) Remember that everything you add to the gun (sidesaddles, lights, optics, etc) adds weight and added weight can affect function. The number one requirement in a weapon is that it works, and if it has 10 pounds of stuff sticking off it, it is more likely to fail.

    2) If one is truly, genuinely concerned about grab/go situations, then one doesn't buy (A) one of the heaviest shotguns out there, and (B) a semiauto; one buys a simple, light, pump shotgun. If you 'won't have time to get your shoes' you won't have time to locate your rail grease and lube materials, right?

    3) Remember that if you are going to put a light on your shotgun to identify your target, you will have to point your weapon at your target to do so; if you have children in your house, ask yourself if you want to violate Rule 2 before you put a light on a HD weapon.

     

    And if you're worried about not having time for shoes, what are you going to do, run into the woods barefooted?

     

    This is either a very odd joke, or one of the least informed comments that I've seen on the subject. If I told my instructors that, well...I'm sure it's a joke. Let's leave it at that.

  10. Those prices are equally ridiculous.

    At best, the set is realistically worth $150-$200 in materials and workmanship.

    But as long as the market is driven by moronic buyers, prices will remain at ridiculous levels.

     

    So why not ask $1,000? If there are idiots out there who will pay $500+, then the law of averages says there's one or two out there who will pay $1,000.

     

    The seller is merely rolling the dice and hoping one such doofus finds his listing. With it getting re-listed here, he's well on his way. I wish him nothing but success.

     

    He knows his audience well, and he is betting that the same folks that will pay nearly $2,000 for a shotgun will pay $1K for the tacticool stock. I love the capitalist system and I bet he sells his stock.

  11. I am not sure if this is the right site for me.. I have seen a few of these "senior members" talk trash and belittle those with few posts on other threads as well. I guess having a couple of thousand posts is a free ticket to be rude and all knowing.

     

    I've dealt with this here, those that know me and have bought things from me here know that I don't have time for that kind of crap. You have to get used to the fact that the forum has some 'senior' members (read: boatloads of posts while the rest of us are earning a living with a job). The number of posts doesn't mean squat.

     

    There are a lot of gunshop commandos and guys that wear really big watches here, if you know what I mean.

  12. I like the look of a gun that has been used hard and maintained well. Reminds me of when I was a kid and got new tennis shoes...first thing I wanted to do was scuff them up a little bit so they wouldn't look so new. They worked great with a little scuff here and there.

  13. Totally agree with Duggan about the stock. It's a fantastic stock already and I'd strongly suggest that you keep the Benelli stock on the gun.

     

    As far as optics go, I was considering adding a red dot sight of some kind but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that it would solve a nonexistent problem. I'd spend the money on rounds to practice with instead and master the ghost rings.

  14. It's been sitting in a bag unused for years. It's either new or virtually new, I don't recall ever even putting it on the M1 that I used to own. To look at it, it appears to be brand spanking new.

     

    Has a pressure switch, and simple to use. Battery still like new.

     

    $150 + $10 to ship to CONUS.

     

    Thought I'd post it here for a day or two before I put it on gunbroker.

  15. Aimpoint T1 hands down if you've got the money.

    Eotech transverse would also be a great choice.

     

    Realize the optic needs to be compatible with your cheek weld ... if you use a full length non collapsible stock you'll need the optic as low as possible, if you use a collapsed stock it needs to be higher, etc.

    Very important point. I had a trijicon sight on an M4 before and had to buy a different base because it required me to shift around on the stock to see through it correctly.

  16. Not a thing wrong with the full length tube, I'd recommend it myself.

     

    But I got the OEM extension and that's what I prefer for my gun. Sneaker's suggestion to use snap ring pliers is terrific, and getting that spring retainer out will be made a lot easier with the snap ring pliers. The thread's about installing the +2 tube, not which tube to buy.

     

    Maybe start another thread?

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