I should of listened to the little voice in my head that said don't buy em thanks a lot for ur knowledge Evo, I appreciate it greatly. I always use brass instead of steel with my ar15 because like you I agree with the old adage u get what you pay for. I guess from now on i will only use quality shells in my benelli. Btw u really know your stuff because these shells are rated exactly what u said. Lol thanx again!