Nemesis

Yes. Rifled slugs with a cylinder choke work well. Benelli says you can even do the next smaller choke if you like. I would not go smaller than that.

Yes--the normal paperwork and 10 day waiting period will suffice. It is like any other longarm. Just note that in CA you cannot own the M4 with the adjustable stock. Our smart state government feels that such a stock will somehow make your M4 an "assault weapon."

Why can't people just report their experiences honestly? Give credit where credit is due and alert fellow consumers when a company has poor customer service? It has nothing to do with "opening your mind." The best customer service I have seen in the gun industry belongs to Springfield. Benelli has not done well by me in this area, although their shotguns are outstanding. Of course, this is only my own anecdotal experience. You have to look at the comments of hundreds to discern a trend. If many of you say Benelli customer service is good well.......maybe I just had bad experiences. I like to hear about experiences. Good, bad and ugly. HK, for example, has a reputation for terrible customer service. As a result, I never bought an HK product. Free speech I say. When word gets out that a company is doing a good job, they will deservedly get more sales. When word gets out that a company does a poor job, they should be shunned. [ 12-12-2006, 09:41 AM: Message edited by: Nemesis ]

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Nickdrak, I took your advice and just ordered an X200B for my M4 with a B&T single rail mount. Two questions for you (or anyone else who has the X200B): 1) Do you think the XT07 tail cap assembly is worth the $120? How does it work and does it make that much of a difference? 2) Does the XT07 come with the velcro patch that attaches the tape switch to the shotgun (or do you get that someplace else? [ 12-03-2006, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: Nemesis ]

With that kind of backpedalling, you should go into politics. Very Clintonesque!

Always nice to see racial slurs on a website. Clean up your act t1h5t@3. [ 12-01-2006, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: Nemesis ]

kbyrd, I assume your pistol is decocked, not cocked. Cocked indicated that you have the hammer (or equivalent) back. Not a safe way to store a pistol, even with the safety on. On some pistols, you can take the safety off and the hammer will fall! Also.....if you keep shells in your shotgun.......Benelli says you should change out your magazine tube spring once a year OR exercise the spring a couple times a year. I know the M4 has to pass military drop tests. Not sure about the M2. [ 11-27-2006, 11:13 PM: Message edited by: Nemesis ]

Thanks Toolman. That makes perfect sense. The higher stock forces you to put the sights higher. It is interesting, however, that other assault rifles that do not require the stock to be as high still keep the stock and sights higher. Why do you think that is?

This has nothing to do with Benelli, but we have some smart guys in here and I have a question. Why does an AR-15 (and a lot of newer assault rifles) have sights that are 2 inches above the bore line (i.e., 2 inches above the barrel)? The answer is NOT because it has a carrying handle. When you get these rifles without carrying handles, the still have sights 2 inches above the barrel. It is also not because they want the sights to co-witness with optics. The issue with this is....if you zero a rifle at 100 meters and then try to take a precise shot close to your muzzle, you are going to be 2 inches low! A lot of guys in Iraq who had to shoot locks at 10 feet with their M4 carbines missed! They had the right sight picture, but they are shooting too high. Older rifles like the M-14, M1, all the old bolt guns, etc.. have sights that are as close to the bore line as possible. Competitive shooters also keep sight lines close to bore lines. Does anyone know?

Hey Garren, Correct--by reliability I am wanting to know: 1) how well it cycles. 2) how sensitive it is to ammo (will it eat anything?). 3) How well does it shoot when dirty or hot (will it cycle after you put 200 rounds downrange)? It seems strange that Berreta/Benelli would make an assault rifle out of a semi auto hunting rifle and I am just wondering how well the R1 cycles.

Thanks Tucker. They are both ARGO and have almost identical looking bolts/trigger assemblies. Do you know how reliable the R1 is?

Do you guys think the R1 is the basis for the RX4? FYI, an RX4 link is attached. RX4 I think it looks **** similar and this brings me to my question--how reliable is the R1? From what I have read, it seems very picky about ammo.... This concerns me because the RX4 will likely be CA legal and I would like to get one (although I likely won't be able to get one for a couple years at least--if at all).

I got the Otis Joint Services Combat Shotgun cleaning kit. I think it is what the military uses and I am a big fan of the Otis system in general. I have never seen a weapon that is easier to break down and clean...... There is literally nothing tricky about it.

I love my M4! I have about 600 low recoil shells through it with 2 malfunctions. This is very good for break in and the fact that I was firing low recoil shells. Both malfunctions occured in the first 200 shells. I have fired Federal LR 00 buck, Remington Buckhammer LR slugs, and Remington LR 00 buck. The shotgun is very accurate, handles well, and is super easy to break down and clean. My only issue is with Benelli customer service. Long hold times on the phone, no toll free number, customer service reps who don't know what they are talking about, and they probably will not give you a choke tube tool or a full set of chokes with your shotgun (which they are supposed to do!).

Thank you Tucker!

Anyone know where I can get Breneke (sp) low recoil slugs online? I can't seem to find them!

Hey Wingbone, We are in agreement on one thing.....I actually DO have an M4 and love it. Best tactical shotgun I have ever bought. I am the envy of the range when I shoot there. I think Benelli should pay me a bit of cash just because they picked up a number of sales from all the guys ogling my M4! My M4 with slugs is a tack driver at 50 meters or closer. But by 100 meters, my group has opened up so much that I would consider it inhumane to shoot at an animal (good hunters care about not inflicting needless pain on their prey). I would not have such reservations with my slug guns. I can keep decent groups at 100. As far as the M1 Tank.....here is what Wikipedia has to say about HEAT rounds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HEAT Fourth paragraph down says they are less effective if they are spinning. Hence we use smoothbores. You may be correct about pressure/velocity, I have never read anything about that.

Wingbone-- You don't know what you think you know about this. An M1 Abrams uses a smoothbore because HEAT ammunition (about half the ammo on the tank) is considerably less effective if it is rotating. A Sabot round from an M1 also has fins to stabilize it, which your shotgun shells do not. I agree that Foster shells have come a long way, but you cannot compare the accuracy of a 24 inch, rifled slug barrel to that of a 18.5 inch smoothbore combat shotgun. HE IS LOOKING FOR A SLUG GUN, NOT YOUR FAVORITE COMBAT SHOTGUN.

If you already have an M3 and want a Slug Gun, why would you consider an M4 (a smoothbore, tactical shotgun similar to your M3)? Get a SBEII with a rifled barrel (slug gun). A smoothbore shooting rifled slugs WILL NOT deliver the same accuracy as a rifled slug barrel the (overwhelming) majority of the time. Wingbone's experience is an outlier. [ 11-02-2006, 08:11 PM: Message edited by: Nemesis ]

Join the USMC? They will actually pay you to wear them.

Wow--I have seen the 00 Federal LR Stuff, but have never found the 000 LR stuff. Do you know the SKU? I could not find it on the Federal website.

STA: Your movies are great and make illustrate the points I was making above. Look how much more muzzle flash and recoil with the (not even!) full power Hornady rounds. This gets you a couple hundred FPS more in velocity. It is not worth it and that is why law enforcement and the military are moving to Low Recoil rounds (the military obviously don't care about lawyers). To further make my point, check out this shotgun recoil table: http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_recoil_table.htm Full Power shells genetrate 2 to 3 times the recoil of low recoil shells! Their added lethality is not worth the price paid in recoil and muzzle flash. Low recoil tactical shells are the way to go (so long as your shotgun cycles them), despite what our "Real Man" friend would have us think.

Guys, 1) Full Power ammo makes follow up shots far more difficult. Try using full power and then tactical in a 3 gun or Action Shooting event and you will see what I mean. 2) Low Recoil ammo will destroy a person. A Low Recoil Slug is far more devestating than a pistol (and most rifle) round. Low recoil buckshot is still almost as fast as 9mm bullets (with 8 or 9 pellets). It is all you need. 3) Low recoil shot and slugs often penetrate better than full power. Sound crazy? It is because the low recoil shot and slugs deform less on impact. It is the same reason that a 7.62mm bullet penetrates more moving 2400 fps than it does at 2700 fps--less expansion and spalling of the projectile. This is why police agencies are moving to the low recoil or tactical stuff in a big way. My Benelli cycles the low recoil stuff perfectly. Does anyone know of any ammo that fits my criteria specified in the first post above? [ 10-07-2006, 10:42 AM: Message edited by: Nemesis ]

Guys, When talking about home defense shells and terminal ballistics, I am a bigger fan of "penetration" versus "expansion." This is because I don't have to worry about "overpenetration issues" and may find myself shooting through barriers. I am looking for the following characteristics in a 12 gauge tactical shotgun shell: 1) For shot--00 buck or #1 buck that is harder (i.e., the pellets do not deform as much and penetrate more). 2) For slugs--harder 1 oz. rifled slugs that do not deform as much and penetrate more. I have heard that Brennke makes these (i.e., lead alloyed with something harder) but they do not fit characteristic number 3 which is..... 3) For both slugs and shot--they MUST be low recoil shells. Does anyone make such ammunition?