nightforce

How did I know Tucker didn't shoot tha with an MR-1 or ANY Benelli for that matter. I think there is a site somewhere for Savage bolt guns. Lots of them showing up as the basis for multi 1000 dollar custom rifles. Why the last time I visited Bernardsville they had them lined up for custom stocks, engraving and Schmidt & Benders. .... right ..... GRIN!

As with UNERTL, the word he was grasping for is Ambiguity . Those of us with 18 years of formal education (including a BA in English literature) don't need to google words we learned in 8th grade. Now if you want to talk money or statistics I can help you out with my MBA in Finance & Accounting. Your GED was in what ? Beehive lamp turning ? Or were you too busy Jew baiting ? Now first of all it's not a 1900s revolver but I do own it, unlike the airgun that you copied from some auction catalog. Second .... about the bet you chickened out on, I took the rifle and scope you COULD NOT identify, a 1948 Winchester Model 70 Bull Gun in 300 H&H wearing a 2" UNERTL Ultra Varmint 15X scope out to the range today. Had a box of Federal Premium hunting ammo around (180 gr TSX at 3000 in the 28" barrel) (you didn't know that either) and shot a 5 shot group, cold bore at 300 yards. Four were in two inches, the fith (first) opened the group to 3" on extremes. Have no doubt with some work and 185 or 210 Bergers I could cut it to 1/2 MOA. You gonna put up or shut up, Mr. Expert ? Who is laughing now eh ????? BTW the revolver is a 1926 factory lettered Colt New Service Flat Top Target in 45 Colt (not Long Colt as an ignoramus such as you would call it) and it's worth about three Benelli R1s that you claim to be such an expert on. Now you want to keep trying on the cartridge and rifle that totally eclipses your 22-250 popgun or do I need to tell you that too? Now let's toss in another to further test your room temp I.Q. ...... Is there no charitable soul out there who will advise this dolt to stop digging the hole to China ?

Obviously never hunted with it and an R1 where speedy reactions were required (like jumping an Elk out of a deadfall in the black timer)

Wrong caliber, never went to Nam' the word you are grasping for is UNERTL. Wanna try again ? How about the scope model too ? Couldn't get the second cartridge or rifle either we ALL see.. Nice 1800s air rifle, I doubt you own it though. About the bet ????? waiting LOL! When you are in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging. You might want to toss the shovel out and climb after it. Do you even know what Gump said about being dumb ? Try naming this one .... this is just too easy!

Oh well, no cure for this. Probably would rather have a Prius than a 427 side oiler Cobra too. Gump, as usual was correct. Nah, I just can't let this fool off this esay. 1. Lets see you do with your popgun what Brian does his with his long bow ... like shooting thrown asprin tablets out the air with no sights and so on. 2. Notice you ducked the bet and can't even I.D. the rifle, scope or caliber .... Mr Expert! 3. Woodchecks at 400 yards, heck, we shoot P-Dogs a lot farther than that. Of course we don't use popguns like the 22-250. The little one is the 22-250, the big one pushes an 80 gr .224 at 3600 fps, and the rifle was made in 1935. Wanna try 600 with your popgun in the Wyo. winds ? Next test, Mr Expert .... I.D. the cartridge and rifle ... the scope is too easy. Wailiting and Laffin!

R-1s are all over GunBroker.com Buy a Leupold 2.5-8x36 VX 3 .... the second best scope for an R-1

Tucker I am going to assume you know nothing about bowhunting, flinters or percussion guns. Only a complete idiot would equate primitive hunting with a lack of progress. Maybe you should watch Brian Ferguson shoot his longbow or ask all those dead Frenchies at Waterloo about the accuracy of a Baker rifle. Then you could move on the the War of Yankee Agression and learn something about long range percussion black powder shooting. You could even truck your butt to a 1000 yard BPCR match and see how worthless they are. Also assume you have never competed in real rifle matches as 4 position with a National Match M-1. You want to put a 6" gong out at 500 yards and let me shoot at it with this ? 50 bucks per shot, you'll go home on the bus. LOL ! (although I even doubt you know what it is) BTW where in the USA do you hunt ? New Jersey ?

For every one of these, there are a 1000 who have no business trying it. I wish I were that young, back then I could still climb the mountains to get close enough the make an ethical kill. Anyone who says they can hit a standing Elk EVERY time at 500+ yards has brown eyes from all the BS filling their heads. All a 500 yard shot tells me is that the "hunter" lacked the ability or desire to ensure a clean kill by getting close. You've all heard about the Antelope that can't be approached closer than 500 yards? Try this on for size: There is an old Elk hunter saying:"Don't shoot the yellow cow." (she is very old) Added to this should be don't shoot the toothless Antelope. Spotted this boy and looking at small rack thought him to be a good young "eater". After a 500+ yard stalk, (NOTE STALK, AS IN HUNTING) dropped him at 84 yards with the Don Brown made Alexander Henry 452 repro percussion. (482 gr bullet, 90 gr 2F). When looking at him, after he was down, he was no young eater, he was a very old buck with teeth to the gums, rounded off cutters and one cutter splitting away from the main horn. The biologist doubted he would have survived another winter here. So in retrospect a "good deed" rather than taking a young prime breeder. Jerky is always welcome. Antelope are the king of American game and unique to our country. Some pics:

Sorry but shooting at big game at 500 yards is iresponsible. They are too many variables to contend with. many "experts" will tell you the Pronghorn is the most unapproachable big game animal. Well, I and my hunting buddies & ladies have killed a great many (over 100). the LONGEST shot was 352 yards, most were killed under 150. WY/ID/MY Game and Fish will tell you most Elk are killed under 150 yards. My last (see below) I took was at 18 paces with an 1809 British Baker Military flintlock rifle. If you can HUNT, the 500 yard shot does not exist (except for varmints, by choice). Now just to cap your comment, the R1 300 Winmag (the real one) that will shoot 1" at 100 yards would shoot (theoretically) 10" @1000 yards, not that there is one rifleman in 1000 that could do that even with my 300 H&H M70 Bull Gun (which will shoot 1/2 MOA), again the variables take over. Don't know how many Antelope, Deer and Elk you have had to put down because some sniper wannabe shot off a leg, jaw or gut shot them or how many dead animals you have found in the spring after the wolves,bears or yotes ate them alive while snipper wannabe Louie was watching a NASCAR race back in where ever. "You cannot get too close, when big game hunting!"

Yup and I just bought a 300 WinMag (the real one) R1 and three guesses what going to happen to the 270 WSM R1 ? Hint: gunbroker.com after the wood, scope and mounts move to the 300. When is Bennelli gonna get their heads outside and offer a real 270, 9.3x62 and 338 WinMag ? As to the silly comment on not a long range rifle. Any rifle that will put 3 in 1" @100 is plenty long range enough for any ethical real hunter. Too many waana be snipers and we see the results BUT the wolves, yotes and bears appreciate the "I am a Carlos" crowd. Let's start the stupid list: The WSMs, The SAUMS, The Ruger 300, 338,375,416 shorties, the 30TC, 480 Ruger, feel free to add more. NONE serve any purpose not met or exceeded by existing cartidges It's the 5mm remington and 8mm RemMag all over again, only worse. Barnum had it right!

The short mags "claimed" accuracy has NEVER been proven in any match up rifle to rifle in a sporting rifle. I have read a LOT of reviews of WSMs and SAUMs that are lucky to do 1.5". Back up your opinion with some hard facts. BTW my 270 WSM R1 is going down the road as soon as mt new 300 REAL Winchester Magnum R1 arrives. The WSMs/SAUMs are as dumb as the "new" 30 Remington AR round that the original 30 Remington outperforms or the 6.8 AR round that the original 25 Remington will wup. Short cartriges in long actions are just SILLY, rather like sleeving a 426 Hemi to 300 C.I. !

When my $310 Marlin XLC 270 wcf with a $350 Bushie coyote will plunk 5 135 smks in one hole at THE SAME velocity as factory 270 WSMs, I fail to see any validity to the WSM in any platform. It takes more powder to make the same fps, short actions are the biggest lie (in hunting rifles) ever foisted on the public and the R1 in 270 wcf would be as good and more accurate than that silly sawed off fat thing. The Marlin and group (6 shots @100) I just bought anothe 300 REAL winmag R1 and the 270 R1 is going down the road

The BAR with a BOSS is far more accurate than the R1. In fact it will shoot better than most untuned bolt guns. But the BAR is a club compared to the R1. So you have a semi-auto that's great for deliberate shots but is about worthless if you jump an Elk in the black timber. The R1 on the other hand, handles like a good upland 20 bore shotgun. Now if they would just offer a 9.3x62 ........ As close as we can come is the Merkel in 9.3x62, short and handy and really "German ugly"!

Took a nice 4x4 Mulie at 279 yards at first light (thanks illuminated Nightforce) with 270 WSM R1 and A4350/150 gr gameking. Prettier than my 300 winmag R1 but a real pain to get to shoot.

I have tried a bunch of factory and military ammo on mine w/a 6X Sightron and Leupy 1-4. Results suck (3-5" @ 100 yards) compared to a well tuned AR. Tried some handloads w/60 gr TNTs and BLC-2 and got it down to 1.5", still nothing like the results G&A got in their road test. Thoughts?

I shuda bought an 06 rather than a 270 WSM !

can't figure out who they built a long action rifle that will handle 30-06 and 300 winmag BUT put those silly WSMs in it. My 300 winmag R1 is a very accurate rifle but the 270 WSM wont shoot any factory ammo under 2.5" groups. After much experimenting I worked up a load with A4350 and 150 GKs that will hold 1.5". More powder than my bolt 270 and no more velocity than Winchester Supremes 270 WSMs or my 270 wcf handloads. Just silly marketing. If they were smart it would come in 9.3x62 !

My 270 WSM carries a Nightforce 2.5-10 x 32 in SK mounts. It is a low sleek scope and the mounts are much nicer than the clubby rail furnished with the rifle. Handles like a 20 bore shotgun ..... now it were just a REAL 270 !