trob09

looks good Retired.

SureFire frond SPF to Joerenew

updated, several items sold, pricing reduced.

Asgard short picatinny rail, asgard 6-round shell holder and one (of 2) asgard 8 round shell holder sold. everything else still available -

I found the 6 round shell holder for either of the asgard rails plus an additional 8-round holder.

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•• updated - several items sold/spf, pricing revised•• Hi I have a few items laying around I'd like to offer up for sale: 1. asgard defense full length rail with extended forward side rails - installed but never used while firing the m4 - SOLD 2. asgard defense short picatinny rail (standard length) - SOLD 3 asgard defense 8-round shell holder as above, installed but never fired while on the M4. - SOLD 4. Mesa Tactical sureshell carrier and rail - 8 rounds. Installed but never fired while on the M4. $135 new, asking $75 5. SureFire rail forehand for the M4 - brand new in the box. - SOLD Pics available, I will try to post shortly. or send me an email and I will send. The asking price is just that, the asking price. All of these items are basically new. If you think my pricing is high, please make an offer. Thanks, T

@Retired - yes, I contemplated the same with my Asgard rail, but I thought I'd see how things work out before I started cutting up things. @ PCKLST - with the FFT handle I just got into the habit of tapping it into place every so often and that seemed to work ok. Given an option, though, I would have just used the stock handle. If you've not been to Gunsite before, I think you will enjoy the class. Make sure to do the 260 + SATP together if you can. If you've been there before, you know what to expect. I'm a big fan of Gunsite, having made my first trip back in the early 90's to orange Gunsite. I try not to clog up boards with promotional content.

the tacstar side saddle worked, but it is not the best solution as far as I am concerned. since the shell holder part is plastic, it expands/contracts with heat changes, making shells either easier or harder to remove. That means first thing in the am, the shells you'd put in previously are difficult to remove - an important consideration for a speed-load. later in the day, after it's been in the sun a while, shells are close to falling out under recoil. also not a great situation. The Tacstar saddle also requires removal of the trigger guard pin and replaces it with a bolt that holds the carrier backing in place. This bolt needs to be tightened just enough to keep everything snug but not so much as to cause binding on the bolt travel. once that sweet spot is found, it needs some blue lock tite to keep it there or it will loosen with a few dozen rounds. any time you want to take out the trigger-group, you would also need to remove the carrier and then find that sweet spot again. Lastly, the plastic shell carrier part needs to have those 6 tiny screw lock tite-ed down to the mounting plate or they'll come right out within a few rounds. the product available from asguard defense or mesa tactical are superior in my opinion, but they would eliminate the possibility of using the scalarworks rail/trijicon RMR. I had contemplated using my asguard rail (which I bought a long time ago - when I first got the M4) with an aimpoint micro or irons or using a less-than-optimal carrier. I decided the sight/mount was used for every round, the carrier was used far less frequently. An ideal solution would be for Scalarworks to look into a side-saddle/rail/RMR mount (cough cough....)

yes, as I say it may have been under lubricated. Once I cleaned and lubed it - not a single problem. In truth, I showed up at class without having ever put a single round through the M4 - either before or after the mods. while that may have been a bit foolish, I did have my trusty M1S90 as a back up - and I have put thousands of rounds through it in the couple of decade I've had it. I hear you on the effect of 12 gauge recoil. even the 'bone crushing recoil' of 5.56 can shake loose an accessory or two. I am not really sure what happened with the light mount, everything was tightened down properly and hadn't moved. my specific light mount and my specific light might be a thousandth or two off. the light was assembled from some spare parts I had laying about. it 'felt' secure until the rounds started to go downrange. As I say, 10 or 50 rounds would not have shown the issue, it wasn't until we'd shot a few hundred rounds that I noticed it was loose - not falling out, but moving.

The course itself was very good. I've been to Gunsite multiple times so I know what to expect and generally how things operate there. It was fairly typical for a Gunsite class. my hands were pretty beat-up from loading and unloading the shotgun for a week. A typical expectation at Gunsite is that it's the student's responsibility to keep their firearm loaded and ready, so everyone automatically loads up after every string of fire. While Gunsite is a hot range, they do not permit racking of loaded firearms, so if you're leaving the line and not going to keep the firearm slung or holstered on you, you unload. this means that each round was probably loaded and unloaded at least twice before being fired... A friend of mine has commented in the past that he will never trust his life on a firearm unless he has taken it to Gunsite for a shake-down cruise. I tend to agree with his assessment. I never would have seen the issues with the light mount or the handle without the stress of the class. In 'normal' operation like going to the range for a day with 2~5 different firearms, putting 50~100 rounds through each, neither would have likely shown up. the light mount issue was ultimately no big deal, the charging handle is more concerning for me. Having no way to manually run the bolt could be a big deal. I've had similar experience in handgun and rifle classes - some things just didn't work for me and I changed them after the class. Gunsite isn't the only resource for doing this - by far - but they have been around, seen a thing or two and have some experience.

Hi. I've been a member here for a while, I don't post much but have learned a lot. I just wanted to post a quick after-action report of my M4 from a week-long shotgun class. The shotgun: Benelli M4, factory collapsable stock FFT full length magazine tube and 922r compliance parts Scalarworks rail with Trijicon RMR (I forget which model, 3.5 moa adjustable brightness) AVA tactical light mount with Surfire light/remote pressure switch FFT charging handle tacstar side saddle mesa tactical single-point sling QD mount GG&G oversized release pad The class: Gunsite 260 and Shotgun ATP. The 260 is primarily square-range drills on using the shotgun (patterning/zeroing, manipulations, positions, target engagement, etc) and the ATP is more dynamic application (indoor/outdoor simulators, shoot/no-shoot discretions, time pressure or other pressures, etc.) more info is available from Gunsite. Rounds fired: 600 rounds 00 buck 200 rounds slug 100 rounds #7 bird thoughts: The Benelli performed as expected, I was only slightly surprised that it seemed to need a bit more cleaning than other firearms (I tend to not clean my guns during these kinds of cases - test out how they work in more adverse conditions like after a few hundred rounds) This resulted in a couple of FTE issues, but only a couple - as in 2 or 3 during the whole class. I did clean the Benelli on Wednesday and saw no further failures. maybe it was under-lubed. The Rail/RMR combo is just about perfect. my only wish is that there would be an option of reversing the mount so the RMR would be at the front of the rail. Still, I was very happy with this set-up. The AVA mount with the Surefire worked very well also. I did have an issue on day 1 where the light was not held firmly in the mount. I first tried some rosin - which did not do the trick, but a couple of winds of electrical tape did the trick - no future issues. The only real issue I faced with the set-up all week was with the FFT charging handle, which would come out at inopportune times. On one occasion, it ended up 10~15 feet behind me after a string of fire. While I like this handle, I will be going back to the stock charging handle as I feel it is more secure within the bolt carrier. At least 1 other person in the class had the same charging handle and experienced the same handle ejection as I did, So I feel a little more confident that it wasn't just me. Anyway, Thanks to the forum and members for leading me to these valuable additions to an already solid platform.

to my knowledge, the only limb saver pad that works with no modification to pad or shotgun is a slip-on version. I spent a fair bit of time trying to adapt the noveske plate so that it would work, but did not succeed. If I had a better metal working shop, I think it would be possible to create a plate that works and allows the stock to collapse.

The noveske plate 'doesn't work' on the c stock because you can't fully collapse the stock with it. When collapsed, the recoil spring tube extends into the oem pad slightly and the noveske plate prevents this from happening. If you don't mind not being able to fully collapse the stock, it will work.

looks interesting, It would be very nice with a side-saddle carrier...