New Model Montefeltro - Point Of Impact

[zz3l4b]

What point of impact should I expect with the new model Montefeltro 12ga, looking perfectly down a flat rib?

I have a SBE3 that was re-barreled and had the barrel lug stop ring adjusted, and it still shoots 80/20 based on the test target supplied by Benelli.

Thanks

 

[remarkable]

The new Montifeltro will shoot a 60/40 pattern if the gun fits you properly.  The gun has a low rib, thus it will not fit most shooters right out of the box.  You will need to use the Quadra Fit system to put more drop in the gun so you eyeline will be flat with the rib.

 

Here is Benelli's patterning spec as well as some fitting guides.

 

Would very much like to see your pattern provided by Benelli.  Remembering your gun shooting where you are pointing it.

 

[zz3l4b]

Attached is the new barrel provided by Benelli, which has a larger sight than the original, which seems like an attempt to lower the point of aim, thus lower the point of impact. Note, I contacted Benelli to purchase a replacement sight for this new barrel and they said this sight was unavailable, and that they could not understand how this barrel came with this sight in the first place. The sight they ended up sending would not fit my barrel, must be for a smaller gauge barrel. 

 

The second photo is of the gun repair Benelli made by moving the magazine tube barrel stop ring so that it is no longer making contact with the barrel lug. What is the purpose of the barrel stop ring if it no longer is making contact with the barrel?

On the Benelli test target provided after their repairs, they noted the "POA" being a 6 o'clock hold on the black bull. I drew a line through the "POA" and counted the pellets, which resulted in a 80/20 pattern.

My plan is to trade this gun on some other light weight 12ga auto that I can use for my upland hunting. I like the Montefeltro but am gun-shy to make another Benelli purchase.

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[remarkable]

The 3 points you called out were:

* Front Sight

* Barrel Stop Ring

* Pellet count

Front Sight: the reason they provided you with a larger front sight is to ensure your barrel is flat when you are pointing it.  I prefer a mid bead which will assist in this as well.  All of this comes together when your shotgun fits you properly - drop.  Your eyline will need to be flat to the rib to begin the fitting process with the Benelli Quadra fit system.  If your eye is to high you are point the gun much higher that you think, thus YOU are shooting it high. Most shooters require more drop.  Most O/U from most companies do not have enough drop for most shooters.  Every 828U and Ethos Fields require refitting with the quadrafit system.  Some SBE 3's require similar.

Barrel Stop Ring: The noted photo is a barrel stop ring which is properly adjusted, your photo does not included the forearm which sits in front of the barrel lug and behind the magazine cap.

Pellet count:  The pellet count which was shown in your photo is incorrect.  The line you placed on the target should be from middle of a 6" circle above the point of aim.  With that as a basis your count is about 65% high and 35% low, center ever so slight left.

Benelli Patterning Spec noted above.

If you plan on moving on from the gun, a Montifeltro field would not be a good choice for you, because of the low rib design.  This model would require refitting with the Quadra-Fit system, more specifically more drop.  A better choice would be a M2 or a Ultra Light which both have a higher rib and is setup very well out of the box for most shooters. Remembering these models both shoot a 60/40 pattern high when fit properly

 

[zz3l4b]

Remarkable, I appreciate your feedback, please clarify the following:

1. Where can I obtain another front sight like the one that came with the replacement barrel from Benelli? The one I have is cracked.

2. What is the purpose of the barrel stop ring if it isn't making contact with the barrel lug. Is it for vertical support of the barrel?

3. When the Benelli gun shop performs the point of impact testing, where is the front sight with respect to the POA indicated on the test target? Is the top or middle of the front sight aligned with the POA indicated on the target?

Thanks

 

[remarkable]

Clarity:

1. This sight was used on SBE 3" guns for a short time.  It is no longer used, thus this part number is not available. Benelli has moved to LPA sights on most models.  Recommend Hi Viz Comp Sight previously used on SBE Performance shop guns as well as Browing 828/725 Sporting.  Sight Highly recomended, I use these as a sight upgrade to customer guns, Rob Roberts as well.  Noting this was explained to you several years ago as well. All needed hardware is included in the kit.  Price $30.00

2. The barrel is supported in place by the back of the reciever as well as the barrel stop ring.  This should happen simotaniously.  I have seen variations of this to a minor extent.  The photo's you are using are from 2021, unlikely not to be your gun.  there is no verticle movement in barrel with or without contact with the barrel ring.  If you have one that you think is out of adjustment, purchase a new barrel stop ring and have it installed as noted.

3. Point of Impact testing should done with the center of the bead, front, in the middle, (On Your Target) the center of the black center.  You make it appear that the POA is below the black center.  If you do your pellet count noting this, your pattern is 55% high 45% low. Very little of this is important unless your barrel is flat to the target.

You have been parrading this information around since 2021.  You went on to say you are going on every radio station in the country as say the Benelli SBE 3 shoots high and left.  Several people have tried to help you with this.  I'm not sure what your point is.

You asked about a Montifeltro.  This model is a low rib design and would require refitting using the Quadrafit system.  The M2 or Ultral Light would be better choices because the fit out of box for most would be favorable. Noting both guns will shoot a 60/40 pattern high if the guns fit you.  The gun will shoot where you point it. Most guns that shoot higher than the noted Benelli spec are pointed high, the shooter may not know this - correct drop is vital.  Is your rib flat to your eye.

Benelli has been using the Barrel stop ring on SBE series guns from day 1 as well as many other models.  The new M2 similar.  Sub models such as 20 & 28 Gauge SBE 3 guns do not use the barrel stop ring.

 

 

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Remarkable, thanks again for your feedback.

1. I will take your advice on the Hi Viz Comp Sight, that looks like a good solution.

2. The photo of the barrel stop/lug gap is of my gun after Benelli repaired it. I was concerned with the gap when I noticed it, contacted Benelli, and they had me ship the gun back for inspection. They sent it back in the same state with a test pattern ,and said it was properly adjusted. I'm OK with the gap, but my engineering mind questions the function of the stop ring if its not making contact with the barrel. I must note, following the barrel replacement and adjustment of the barrel stop ring, the POI was better from L-R and lowered some. Please don't insult me by saying this photo is not of the gun I have.

3. I have 2 test patterns for this gun from the Benelli repair shop, and the folks performing the pattern test wrote the letters "POA" on the target and circled them, not me, I only drew the horizontal line through the target. If you look at how Browning conducts POI tests, they use a 6 o'clock hold on a 6" bull also, using the top of the bead as the POA. I was just wondering how Benelli conducted their POI testing. As a matter of fact, I was planning to perform a POI test with this gun using the Browning method to see the results. See Browning POI testing procedure link: https://www.browning.com/support/faq/shotgun-poi.html?srsltid=AfmBOopnPKogNlMUfViASqNMAa_KXWqSOMJZItIohP4v5c0MEHjuq4aI 

Now that I'm older my back really appreciates light weight well balanced 12ga shotguns, and that's why I inquired about the Montefeltro. 

Do you think the Ethos would be a good fit for me?

Thanks again for your help.

 

 

 

 

[remarkable]

Thank you for the qustions:

1. This is a great option, Rob Roberts uses this on some of there custom guns as well as past generation of SBE 3  out of the performance shop.  All hardware included: $30.00, the smallest screw in the packet is the correct size for that hole.

2. This image has been shown many times by many authors on other forums as well.  Truely does not matter who's barrel it is, my appology for not framing this up better.  Most SBE 1-3 as well as M2's make simo contact with the barrel stop ring and the back of the reciever.  I happen to own a SBE 3 Performance Center that has a small gap as well.  Shoots very a nice pattern and was sent with the computerized pattern from  Rob Roberts. You could purchase another barrel stop ring, remove yours and fit it as described.

3. Thank you for sending the Browning spec, seems similar to Benelli & Rob Roberts & SKB.  One of the challenges the industry faces is there are very few standards one of which is shotgun patterning.  Typically Benelli Itally patterns at 21 metres.  I prefer this as well, it is easier to set the center of the bead to the prescribed Point Of Aim. I also like doing this with a full choke.  Concentrates more pellets on target and finding the center of point of impact quicker.

Ethos Field - as well as the Montifeltro, would probably not be good choices for you.  The Montifeltro is a low rib gun, the Ethos is a mid rib gun, both of which require refitting with the quardra fit system.  All 828U's, Ethos Fields, Montifeltro for most shooters require fitting.  I do these by the hundreds.  That what is great about the Quadra fit system, you can fit the gun to the shooter in almost every case.

Edited January 25, 2025 by remarkable

[zz3l4b]

Remarkable,

1. This morning, I just realized my son has a new 725 Sporting (left hand version) here at the house, and it does have the Hi Viz sight you described. Thanks for the advice, I'll be picking one up this week at Bass Pro Shop.

2. What is your reasoning for replacing my existing barrel stop ring?

3. I agree with you on the lack of shotgun pattering standards. Before Beretta updated their website a couple years ago, they described their way of testing for POI prior to sending a gun in for warranty work. The Beretta procedure was performed at 30 yards, using a 6" bullseye, and placing the bead inside the circumference of the bull. A horizontal line is drawn through the center of the bull to determine POI percentages. I feel the Beretta method makes the most sense. I've been shooting Browning Citori Lightnings (12, 20, 410) for skeet, trap, dog training, and upland hunting for the last 36 years, and never had the need to test my guns for POI. It wasn't until my kids got into waterfowl hunting that I purchase my SBE3, and that fall took it dove hunting, and was barely able to bag a dove. I immediately went home and tested the POI for the SBE3, from that day forward I have become a student of shotgun POA/POI and gun fit. 

* Note, a few years ago I went from 270 to 210 pounds and noticed a significant change in my sight picture for most of the guns I own.

Thanks again for feedback.